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#400403 - 01/27/14 01:51 PM M80 to M80HP or M100's
TroyD Offline
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Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 302
Has anyone actually rcieved there speakers yet ?
if so anyone trade up from M80"s and if so
are they that much better in sound, imagining etc ?
just wondering if the $1300 plus is worth the benefits of the upgrade.
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#400431 - 01/27/14 11:58 PM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: TroyD]
bjski Offline
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Registered: 06/20/13
Posts: 12
Hi,
I upgraded my M80 to the HP ones. I think the best bargain would have been to buy pre sale models in September for about $1700 and keep the pair your trading in.

I think you can only be the judge if the upgrade is worth it. I traded my speakers in and bought the real wood veneer. I noticed an improvement immediately. I posted in another form on this site. I think the sound is cleaner, clearer and the bass isn't muddy. The improvement I feel is worth it. My only regret is maybe I should have gotten HP100. For real wood the price of the HP 100 veneer is the same price as the wood version of the HP80. I do think the wood makes the speakers look classier. But isn't it about the sound? Bottom line noticeable sound improvement that I'm enjoying.

Busy right now but when I get a chance I'll post my thought's.

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#400433 - 01/28/14 09:16 AM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: TroyD]
JBG Offline
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Registered: 06/14/02
Posts: 406
Review of M100's from 'Biggar' on an other site;
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Post by biggar on Aug 17, 2013 at 2:10pm

I took delivery of a pair of M100s just yesterday. I spend all afternoon yesterday and a couple of hours today (so far!) listening to them with classical, jazz, folk and rock. My previous speakers were the M80s. I find that the M100s have a demonstrably greater dynamic range. Even though the80 are very confident at high volumes, the 100s display an even greater confidence. I'm currently listening to Clapton's Layla - a rock record that is not just bunched up in a 10 decibel range. The 100s are throwing music at me in such a way that I cannot hear the separate speakers, rather, I can hear the music nicely separated into different instruments across the soundstage.

I think that positioning is important with these speakers. Mine are not in their final position by a long shot. My wife and I started that conversation this morning and our negotiation is going to take some time. In any event, my questions about the 100s are as follows. First, I'm used to the Axiom sound, these do sound like Axioms - is that too much for me - do I need a complete change - I don't think so. I had my KEFs for ten years, I'm a long term lover so if I keep these big guys they will be here for an long time. Second, am I drinking my own cool-aid when I say that these speakers are great - I don't know. I keep wondering what the Bryston Model Ts (made by Axiom at the same plant) sound like. The Bryston's not only look the same as the 100s, they have exactly the same number of drivers (although their woofers are 8" rather thn 6.5") and they use the identical Axiom tweeter and midrange to the 100s. However the Brystons are trip-amiable rather than bi-amiable like the 100s (I have mine bi-amped - after a fashion). The stupidity in these things comes to light when you look up reviews of the Bryston. Talk about over the top glowng reviews from all of the high-end mags and dealers. Turn the page and find peope who have not heard the Axioms criticizing them to the nth degree. Not sure how to explain the implied statement that Axiom made an excellent overachiever for Bryston and a dog for themselves. Yes, the Bryston has a different crossover arrangement to the Axioms but I ask again, why would the chief engineer at Axiom breed a top class crossover for the Bryston and a crappy one for themselves! Third, I've played lots of women's voices over the past 24 hours. I cannot detect any of the sibilance that some complain of in Axiom's. Both the "s" and "t" are pronounced with recision (except on a Joan Baez live album on which the sibilance is present regardless of the player and speaker). Mind you, I have to say that there was none of that sibilance or over brightness with the 80s either.

Lots of drivers, fewer drivers - in my opinion, it's just a matter of opinion and desired dynamics - how do you like your music delivered to your brain. I happen to like a big and well articulated bottom end, others like theirs to be subtle nobody is right or wrong on this. I'm sure that there are very many speakers that are better than the Axioms. When I bought the 80s, I looked at speakers in the $5,000-8,000 range and said no. Unless I'm completely wrong, that calculus will maintain itself with the 100's.


Parts of Chopin's piano concertos bring me close to tears. I can actually feel the emotion welling up in me. These speakers do not disappoint on this matter, the emotional grab of the old romantic is very much there. Violins high (as they should be) and totally in control. On that subject, there seems t be little to no dynamic compression in these speakers physiognomy. They seem to be relatively free of artifact.

Listening to the Moody Blues "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour". I've listened to these Moody Blues albums on everything from a clock radio to the highest end speakers - i know every note. Fantastic lower-mids drawing me right in. The speakers jump from high to low with great agility nothing seems to be compromised.

As you can tell, I'm not into the numbers when it comes to music. I just love music (39,000 tracks on my Sonos, hundreds of vinyl albums and still have my CDs). Someone would have to explain to me what the problems are with these speakers. I'll let you know more in the coming weeks.

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#400445 - 01/28/14 11:17 AM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: JBG]
casey01 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
Posts: 768
Loc: Toronto
Good review, your comments, once again, point out the total hypocrisy of the so-called "high-end" mags and dealers in that they can only equate top performance to a top price. It is all in their outdated mind. Like you said 99 times out of 100, the whiners will criticize something that they have generally never even heard.

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#400448 - 01/28/14 12:58 PM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: TroyD]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
Quote:
The Bryston's... use the identical Axiom tweeter and midrange to the 100s.


I do not believe this is necessarily true. Just because a driver looks the same does not mean that the motor structure, etc. are identical. Honestly, I don't care one way or the other, but I'd like to see confirmation from somebody who actually KNOWS before accepting this as fact.
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#400455 - 01/28/14 03:23 PM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: tomtuttle]
JBG Offline
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Registered: 06/14/02
Posts: 406
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Quote:
The Bryston's... use the identical Axiom tweeter and midrange to the 100s.


I do not believe this is necessarily true. Just because a driver looks the same does not mean that the motor structure, etc. are identical. Honestly, I don't care one way or the other, but I'd like to see confirmation from somebody who actually KNOWS before accepting this as fact.


P/S The review above is not from me but from a user on another forum site.

quoted from Ian;

The A1 from Bryston is very similar to M100. For the extra cost you get the addition of vertical bracing on top of the seven horizontal window braces, the Bryston 20 year warranty, the Bryston black drivers, and the convenience of having them available at your local Bryston dealer.

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#400459 - 01/28/14 05:08 PM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: JBG]
bjski Offline
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Registered: 06/20/13
Posts: 12
The Byrston A2 is very similar to the HP M80's. Are the cabinets different and crossovers? The spec's for both are pretty much the same from frequency response to cabinet weight.

The reviews everyone is seeing are the Bryston T series not the A which is comparable to HP100, HP80. Let's see what the high end mag's say about the A series.

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#402674 - 04/08/14 02:22 AM Re: M80 to M80HP or M100's [Re: TroyD]
MichaelTrottar Offline
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Registered: 12/10/13
Posts: 84
This does not disappoint...
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