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#406335 - 07/25/14 09:54 PM M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers
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M3 v4 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers

Just starting a thread since I'm surprised no one else did.

The ceiling in my basement is too low, but maybe I'll end up with some of these at some point just because. I'd love to have a room that would make sense for Dolby Atmos, but these might work better than the Algonquins I bought for the bathroom if I decide I want more storage options on the walls.

In any case, it's a product I'm glad they made, even if I have no immediate use for them.

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#406336 - 07/25/14 10:07 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I would like to see more pics of this. Where exactly are they hiding the tweet.
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#406337 - 07/25/14 10:17 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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In the newsletter, it says it's a coaxial tweeter, basically. It's held in front of the woofer.
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#406340 - 07/26/14 02:00 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Ah , I didn't get the memo . Usually we get some advanced tidbits ,this is totally out of character. I did post about 4 weeks back asking about atmos based speakers. Here

Never did get a reply but they were obviously in the works.
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#406341 - 07/26/14 02:16 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: Socketman]
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Originally Posted By: Socketman
I would like to see more pics of this. Where exactly are they hiding the tweet.


A few pics here.

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#406383 - 07/29/14 09:55 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Brent told me that they were in the works a couple of months ago when I mentioned that I was looking to get some for a games room which I wanted to wire up for surround sound for playing video games. However, there were no sign of them when I went up to Axiom to pick up my new LFR's. It is certainly good that they are now available!

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#406387 - 07/29/14 01:30 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I think they come pre-packaged with elevator music.

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#406393 - 07/30/14 12:54 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I can't wait to hear the difference concentric makes.
I wonder what else is in the works.
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#406396 - 07/30/14 08:22 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Really glad to see the Atmos speakers from you!

But Really need On-Ceiling type, like the M3 On-Wall.

Are they too in the works?

Wayne

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#406397 - 07/30/14 02:25 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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They will no doubt be popular with the headbanger crowd.

Sorry, couldn't resist....
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#406399 - 07/31/14 09:49 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Ha! Ha! Good one.

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#406476 - 08/08/14 10:59 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Waiting on my pair. Starting the home theater over from scratch. Gonna go with an Atmos capable AVR.

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#406478 - 08/08/14 12:39 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Maybe someday I will jump on these speakers and do an Atmos setup, but I am not ready to scrap my decent receiver for a $1200+ Atmos ready one, and toss another $800 with of speakers into the room. My wife would absolutely kill me, plus it just isn't in the "responsible" cards right now.

Starting from scratch sure opens up some possibilities, especially with the lower introduction price until August 11. Of course, if you are going to pay a premium for the receiver already to get Atmos, why not go with 4 in-ceilings for the optimum experience?
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#406481 - 08/08/14 01:24 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: nickbuol]
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
Maybe someday I will jump on these speakers and do an Atmos setup, but I am not ready to scrap my decent receiver for a $1200+ Atmos ready one, and toss another $800 with of speakers into the room. My wife would absolutely kill me, plus it just isn't in the "responsible" cards right now.

Starting from scratch sure opens up some possibilities, especially with the lower introduction price until August 11. Of course, if you are going to pay a premium for the receiver already to get Atmos, why not go with 4 in-ceilings for the optimum experience?


Nick, that's what accidental power surges are for! smile

"I really don't want to spend more money honey...but we took a hit and what can we do?"

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#406482 - 08/08/14 01:25 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Guess I need to change my .sig to say 4520 and not 3808!
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#406484 - 08/08/14 10:04 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: Hansang]
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Originally Posted By: Hansang
Originally Posted By: nickbuol
Maybe someday I will jump on these speakers and do an Atmos setup, but I am not ready to scrap my decent receiver for a $1200+ Atmos ready one, and toss another $800 with of speakers into the room. My wife would absolutely kill me, plus it just isn't in the "responsible" cards right now.

Starting from scratch sure opens up some possibilities, especially with the lower introduction price until August 11. Of course, if you are going to pay a premium for the receiver already to get Atmos, why not go with 4 in-ceilings for the optimum experience?


Nick, that's what accidental power surges are for! smile

"I really don't want to spend more money honey...but we took a hit and what can we do?"

LOL


Good point... Thanks!
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#406486 - 08/09/14 12:51 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: rprice54]
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Originally Posted By: rprice54
Waiting on my pair. Starting the home theater over from scratch. Gonna go with an Atmos capable AVR.


Keep us in the loop on how it goes!

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#406488 - 08/09/14 06:51 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Andrew Jones concentric speakers with the bandwidth limited up-firing driver or a variation of that type of setup is the only way Dolby Atmos is coming into my home. There is a 0% chance of even the idea of punching holes in the ceiling for speakers.
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#406894 - 08/29/14 12:14 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I continue to read from the 'experts' on some other forums who continue to trash horizontal CC speakers because of supposed comb filtering & lobing problems with these designs. IMO these anomalies are minimal at best in most HT rooms but they are a big & nasty deal for some.

I wonder if the technology that Axiom has developed in the M3 Ceilings with co-located drivers could be implemented into a smallish cabinet for yet another CC speaker that would be more easily placed into many HT Stands (like the VP100) vs the large cabinets above that model. Would this design largely eliminate these perceived problems?...

TAM

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#406900 - 08/29/14 07:06 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: exlabdriver]
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Originally Posted By: exlabdriver
I continue to read from the 'experts' on some other forums who continue to trash horizontal CC speakers because of supposed comb filtering & lobing problems with these designs. IMO these anomalies are minimal at best in most HT rooms but they are a big & nasty deal for some.

I wonder if the technology that Axiom has developed in the M3 Ceilings with co-located drivers could be implemented into a smallish cabinet for yet another CC speaker that would be more easily placed into many HT Stands (like the VP100) vs the large cabinets above that model. Would this design largely eliminate these perceived problems?...

TAM


In theory, if you're only using 1 driver?

Curious what some of those haters are going to say when they work more speakers into their systems when upgrading to Atmos, Auro, UHD, etc.

It would seem to me that its a non issue in all but the largest rooms (which you'd expect to have matching front speakers).

I really like the concept and the potential of the new in ceiling M3.
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#406939 - 09/01/14 06:16 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I would love to have angled driver On-Ceiling mounted speakers - I really do not want to cut into my sound silencing barrier.

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#406961 - 09/03/14 06:55 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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any word on shipping? I ordered mine back in July...

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#407095 - 09/09/14 01:29 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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I guess I'm going to do it. The sound barrier is going get a few new holes, hopefully in time for my 2 weeks off at Christmas.
I can't go all Atmos, the bill is too much right now (baby in Nov.)but 5.1 sounds really good so I'm going to install a pair in the top front locations with my current AVR.
I drew it out tonight and was shocked to see the in ceilings will be the same distance from my ears as my surrounds when installed as recommended by dolby.
Ceiling height be dammed...
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#407243 - 09/16/14 05:19 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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As low as my basement ceiling is (6' 7", generally) I don't see being able to use the M3 in-ceiling speakers for Atmos.

From here:

Quote:
Will I always get better Dolby Atmos sound with overhead
speakers?

Dolby Atmos enabled speakers produce slightly diffuse overhead audio that is quite lifelike and, in some cases, preferable to the sound that comes from overhead speakers.

If your ceiling is low or you have to mount your loudspeakers on overhead trusses or brackets, the overhead speakers will be closer to the listening position. The audio may be distracting because you’ll hear exactly which speaker is producing the sound instead of feeling immersed in an atmosphere in which sounds occur naturally overhead.

In this environment, Dolby Atmos enabled speakers may better reproduce the Dolby Atmos sound you would hear in a movie theatre, where the overhead speakers are high in the auditorium, creating a more diffuse experience. Audio experts who have heard Dolby Atmos enabled speakers agree that the sound these produce can be preferable to the sound that
overhead speakers produce.


I don't really want Dolby Atmos enabled speakers, either, since it means switching my ceiling tiles back to something reflective as opposed to absorptive. Since the sound from the ceiling speakers are supposed to be somewhat diffuse as described, I wonder if Axiom could come up with a model for people in my situation. Low ceiling, still wanting the Atmos experience without resorting to the Atmos enabled compromise. Even better for me, specifically, would be 2'x2' panels pre-made for mounting the speakers in and dropping into a standard suspended ceiling grid.

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#407246 - 09/16/14 06:55 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Charles, I think the only reasonable answer is for you to dig the basement a good 2-4 feet deeper, then replace everything you have in it.
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#407248 - 09/16/14 07:39 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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If he did that, the alligator pit would have no walls and they would be free to roam. You didn't think this through.
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#407252 - 09/16/14 07:58 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Think of the extra exercise afforded by such a setup!
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#407253 - 09/16/14 08:00 AM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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Mine shipped last Monday. Still stuck in customs...

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#407262 - 09/16/14 01:48 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: CV]
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FYI. General statement but, "Atmos Enabled" speakers are actually manufactured to meet a higher set of specifications specifically for Dolby Atmos than regular speakers mounted in/on your ceiling. Not that you can't get better speakers that work on the ceiling, but there isn't much in the way of "needs to meet these Atmos specs" out there. I heard A/B/C demos of 7.1, 7.1.4 with ceiling speakers, and 7.1.4 with Atmos enabled. Couldn't really tell much difference in the good ceiling speakers vs. the Atmos Enabled, but like mentioned above, you need a reflective and flat ceiling.

Height does not HAVE to be 8' and the Dolby guys at CEDIA mentioned that they wished that they left that minimum spec out. It will just be less effective the lower the ceiling, but they said that around 7' you start to lose effectiveness. 6'7" will be tricky.
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#407368 - 09/21/14 11:23 PM Re: M3 In-Ceiling Loudspeakers [Re: nickbuol]
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
FYI. General statement but, "Atmos Enabled" speakers are actually manufactured to meet a higher set of specifications specifically for Dolby Atmos than regular speakers mounted in/on your ceiling. Not that you can't get better speakers that work on the ceiling, but there isn't much in the way of "needs to meet these Atmos specs" out there. I heard A/B/C demos of 7.1, 7.1.4 with ceiling speakers, and 7.1.4 with Atmos enabled. Couldn't really tell much difference in the good ceiling speakers vs. the Atmos Enabled, but like mentioned above, you need a reflective and flat ceiling.

Height does not HAVE to be 8' and the Dolby guys at CEDIA mentioned that they wished that they left that minimum spec out. It will just be less effective the lower the ceiling, but they said that around 7' you start to lose effectiveness. 6'7" will be tricky.


Nick,

During the Atmos demos did anyone comment on aiming tweeters when ceiling height was less than ideal?
The earliest information provided by Dolby suggested speakers should fire straight down.


Edited by brwsaw (09/21/14 11:27 PM)
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