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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
Zak #446709 11/29/22 10:01 PM
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There are a few on here that love their M3IC. I can't know for sure but I very much doubt anyone would hear a difference between OW and IC during a movie or music. If hidden ends worries about aesthetics, go IC.


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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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Originally Posted by Rock
I am wondering what would be the performance difference for the Atmos height speaker, the in ceiling M3 and the on-wall M3 mounting on the ceiling.
ATMOS has specs for both top & height speakers.
The actual layout rules are a bit tricky but for the most part Tops point straight down and run overhead. They are recommended over heights. But since many have wiring in place (or perhaps to be compatible with DTS & Auro layouts) they started publishing specs for height layouts as well. Heights are mounted high up over the bed speakers (floor level speakers). I believe they are aimed toward MLP.

terminology wise, I think, this question is about Top surrounds.

Originally Posted by Rock
I am wondering what would be the performance difference for the Atmos height speaker, the in ceiling M3 and the on-wall M3 mounting on the ceiling.
I own both. Short answer… On-wall wins hands down over in-ceiling sound wise … not even close.
The only reason to consider an in-ceiling is esthetics IMO.

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Axiom told me that you could just take the woofer of the M3 out, then attach it to a stub. The in-ceiling M3 doesn't allow you to aim to the MLP.
1 - I imagine if you’re going to get crazy…. You could mount a in-cabinet M3 (if they make them) in the ceiling …. (Note: I’m not a fan on their in-walls… although I’ve only heard them un-installed … so I may be diss’in them unfairly).

2 - tops point straight down

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
Mojo #446711 11/29/22 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
There are a few on here that love their M3IC. I can't know for sure but I very much doubt anyone would hear a difference between OW and IC during a movie or music. If hidden ends worries about aesthetics, go IC.
Mojo is right to a certain extent …. Once the movie is running a lot of ills will be overlooked …
That said … the sound difference between M3 ow & ic, IMHO, is huge.

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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Rich, can you hear the performance difference during movies or music?

Edit: answered above.

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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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I am going with 5.1.2, so the 2 atmos speaker would be very close to MLP with 10 degree angle. It should be OK with the flush mount without angling it to aim to MLP. Am I right?

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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What is tops point straight down?

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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I think Rich means you'd hang them upside-down rather than flat on the ceiling.


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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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UP side down with the onwall M3? That would look like two kites flying smile Wouldn't be wife-proved for sure.

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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Rich's wife loves them. Especially as she's hanging by them.


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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
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Originally Posted by Rock
I am going with 5.1.2, so the 2 atmos speaker would be very close to MLP with 10 degree angle. It should be OK with the flush mount without angling it to aim to MLP. Am I right?

That's fine for the highs and lows. Some portion of the mid-range will be muddled.


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