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Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46575 05/27/04 12:16 AM
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I wish someone would delete the Tick thread

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46576 05/27/04 12:51 AM
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If Axiom deleted posts for other speaker manufacturers, you would probably not get as many results when you search HSU and SVS. Axiom is a very humble company and understands that not everyone is going to like thier product. So your post was not deleted by Axiom.

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46577 05/27/04 03:03 AM
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OK, let's try this again. No doubt I will be unable to recapture the spontaneous eloquence of my first post, but perhaps I can be more succinct

I have not heard the M60's, but I have RS750's (and RS300's, RS150's, and the RSC200)as well as M22's and M3's. There are differences between these speakers but I don't find them as dramatic as some of the rhetoric would have it. The Axiom's could be described as comparatively "bright", but I think a lot of this is source-dependent as well.

My upstairs system consists of an average Sony CD player fed through an Audiosource Amp 2 to the M22's. This system can definitely reveal some of the harshness typical of a digital source. I'll soon have a Foreplay (tube) pre-amp sitting between the CD and Amp, which I suspect will smooth this out.

Downstairs in the recording studio, I have M3's fed by an Echo MIA (professional sound card) through a Behringer mixer into a Carver receiver, and they sound very neutral. Carver is often referred to as having a "warm" sound, so perhaps this is a factor. The MIA puts out a +4 signal, so it is very hot and sensitive to small changes.

The Rockets are in the HT, fed by a Denon 2200 into an Outlaw 950 and 7 Outlaw (200w, more like 300w into the 6 Ohm 750's)monoblocks. This system blows away anyone who hears it, as it should given the relative cost.

I would place the 750's at the head of the class, but they are also the most expensive. One major factor is that I find the 750's less fatiguing for long periods of high-volume listening. On a non-sonic note, the Axiom finishes can't really compete with the Rockets, but this was never a deal-killer- the Axiom's in Beech go better with the living room than the Rocket finishes would, and vice-versa in the HT.

I am happy with all my systems, and am not really itching to change anything (except maybe swapping out the Amp 2 for a couple of Bottlehead Paramours)

Comparing on price alone, I would give the edge to the M22's over the RS150's. They are more revealing and detailed. The M3's are just a tremendous bargain, all comparisons aside. The 750's are in a different class though- I'd really like to hear the M60's or M80's in comparison. For the record, I've never understood the "muffled", or "25th row" comments about Rockets- I just don't hear it.

I think Axiom and Onix are both great, and look forward to a long association with both. So ultimately this is just a long-winded way of saying: "Ya gotta hear them for yourself!"

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46578 05/27/04 03:06 AM
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thanks for the input! something must have gone wrong before as there's absolutely nothing in here that I would see of deletion.


[black]-"The further we go and older we grow, the more we know, the less we show."[/black]
Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46579 05/27/04 03:14 AM
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This time I pasted the post into a .txt doc, just in case.

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46580 05/27/04 04:15 AM
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Articulately put! I'm glad you made the effort to give it another try. Very wise to paste it into a .txt doc.

I think the "25th row" comment is meant to be more descriptive than insulting. Axioms endure their share of "descriptive" comments also.

I found your comment about giving "the edge to the M22s over the RS150s" very interesting. I compared the two side by side here in my room, and I felt the same way. Have never heard the 60s, but don't doubt that I'd like them (especially powered by monoblocks. YIPES! ). I have no idea how they would compare to my M60s, which I like very much.

I'm kinda funny about the Rocket (and, for that matter, the Axiom, and others) finish thing. I have black speakers and endure all kinds of insults, hereabouts, about how ugly the blacks are. But, I like them. The wood grain finish speakers (Axiom or Rocket, or anything else) kinda locks one into a decor matching situation. Basic black goes with everything . (Now guys! Save your defensive "I don't have to match my speakers" comments. I'm talking about how I'd feel, not how you feel ).

We have another Bottlehead fan around here; haoleb. He's in Hawaii, so he gets here late. I suspect he'll be chiming in here sometime soon.

Thanks for going to the trouble of rewriting. Be sure to stick around.





Jack

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Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46581 05/27/04 05:22 AM
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Basic black goes with everything.



That's why all you old buggers have three black marryin' & buryin' suits.

The Beech was an easy choice for me... it looks more like maple than the maple does and I'm a big fan.

Bren R.

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46582 05/27/04 02:11 PM
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That's why all you old buggers have three black marryin' & buryin' suits.



I hate to pop your balloon, but I don't have even one suit, black or any other color.

Jeez! I hope none of the REALLY old guys on this forum (like Ray) croak. I got nothin' to wear.


Jack

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Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46583 05/28/04 08:31 PM
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So I guess you're not dressing up when I visit next week? And I brought this tuxedo for nothing?

I just wanted to make a good impression with your mother.

Re: M60's vs Rocket RS750 by Onix
#46584 05/28/04 09:41 PM
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Of course I'm dressing up. I ALWAYS dress up for company. I've got my best T-Shirt nicely ironed, my pull-on camping pants are washed, and my orthopedic shoes, for my arthritic feet, are spotless. How much more dressed up can ya be?


Jack

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