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#52699 - 07/21/04 05:16 PM Re: OT: politics
Zarak Offline
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Registered: 03/09/03
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Loc: PA
I'll agree it's an interesting read...I just don't feel like debating back and forth forever...I'll continue to check it out though.

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#52700 - 07/21/04 05:19 PM Re: OT: politics
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"As for policing the world, if it is anyone's job it is the entire UN. The rest of the UN wasn't convinced, but we went in anyway. The UN may be the closest thing to the police, but not the US alone."

I agree, we aren't going to solve this world problem right now, which is why it's good that this thread seems to be quieting down....ie, I'm shutting up.

Before I go ... I do however think that there is some flaws with your above argument. First of all, the UN spent 10 years issuing unending resolutions condemning Iraq's continual defiance of their authority. That tells me that, at least on the surface, the UN was against the Iraqi regime and it's actions. The problem that quickly became apparent is that the leading members of the UN (France, Germany, & Russia) are acting in their own interests and not fulfilling their responsibilities to the UN. Yes, the UN should be the world police, but they have to have credibility to do so. So far, they aren't doing so well at that. As I said before, the handling of Iraq was a good opportunity for the administration to call out the UN and force them to act on their own resolutions, regardless of the interests of their individual members. In my eyes, Bush screwed the pooch in not stomping on the UN a little harder to do it's job before we went ahead w/out them.

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#52701 - 07/21/04 05:27 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 1660
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
In reply to:


The problem that quickly became apparent is that the leading members of the UN (France, Germany, & Russia) are acting in their own interests and not fulfilling their responsibilities to the UN.




That is EXACTLY why the U.N. is completely irrelavant. EVERY nation, including the U.S. has its own intentions at heart. Nothing GW could have done would have changed the outcome. Even France reconzied Iraq had these weapons but choose to do nothing because it suited them best.

Furthermore I believe better than half of the members in the U.N. are representing dictatorships. Not many of those are ever going to look fondly apon U.S. interests.

Further furthermore, why should we care/respect these countrys that don't allow their citizans even the most basic rights. Sure its not practical to overthrow all those opressive governments, but the U.S. shouldn't care very much what they think in an IRRELAVENT (and corrupt) U.N.

Just add this to the STACK of reason's why Kerry would make a terrible President (he wants to bow to the U.N. and rest of the world).

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#52702 - 07/21/04 07:07 PM Re: OT: politics
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Even France reconzied Iraq had these weapons but choose to do nothing because it suited them best.


Vaht iz dees? Peek on Frohnz veek? Saddam 'ussein vas not a t'reat to uhs! Go beck to yor "Freedom Fries" and leef uhs de 'eck alohn!
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#52703 - 07/21/04 08:43 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
You keep it fun, dude.

I thought I may have been a little too sarcastic last night - sorry Zarak, but I was sauced.

How about Linda Ronstadt? Or the topic on O'Reilly's show last night (re: Canadaian opinion of the US)? Or Arnold's "girlie men" comment?

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#52704 - 07/21/04 11:18 PM Re: OT: politics
INANE Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 1660
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
I love the fact there is a politician (Arnold) that will just tell it like it is.

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#52705 - 07/21/04 11:21 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
How about that crazy defiance of the laws of physics?....that document that fell off the table, went under the pant leg, and slid into the sock.

Or maybe Martha?...another victim claiming conspiracy to avoid actually admitting guilt. Maybe she can gather some yard dust and bake herself a large pillow to support her magnificently large head.

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#52706 - 07/21/04 11:31 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
I don't understand how anybody likes that Martha Stewart. She's just a mean old broad that keeps a clean house.

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#52707 - 07/21/04 11:38 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
But, she has a mean recipe for meatloaf, as long as you have a pinch of black tica leaf found only in the canopy of the Brazilian rain forest and two pinches of red yanka root found only under a particular ledge about 2/3rds the way up mount kilamonjaro.

OK....so that's a stretch. I've been priming the basement all night, so I'm borderline delerious by this point. My only hope is a stiff vodka tonic to bring me back to this world.

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#52708 - 07/21/04 11:42 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
I think pmbuko told me you can smoke that tica leaf.

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