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#52789 - 07/27/04 06:28 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
OK...Did you guys think that I was going to let this thread just fade away?...No way!

Anyone watch the DNC? Clinton kicked butt, as usual. No matter what you think of his politics, he can really energize a room. No wonder they put him on the first day...need a little breathing room between him and Kerry. Kerry will be the lullaby at the end.

Too bad Gore took his prozak. I was hoping to see another one of his evangelical tyrades. That part must have ended up on the Kerry camp cutting room floor. Too bad.



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#52790 - 07/27/04 06:43 PM Re: OT: politics
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
i agree. clinton is the man at giving speeches. i swear, that guy could sell a freezer to an eskimo living in an igloo on the north pole. he just has something about him when he talks.

and NO MORE, GOREO!!! geez louise, did he have to suck-face on tipper like that?? i was about to toss my dinner!! thats about enough of that.

all in all, good first day.. i could have done without hillary.. she needs to take some ques from her husband.. she is too mono-tone.. she kinda souns like she is whinning the whole time.. funny thing is.. she really hopes, deep down, that george w will win the election, so she will be set up as the 2008 demo candidate.. whatcha think about them apples??

bigjohn
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#52791 - 07/27/04 06:50 PM Re: OT: politics
Zarak Offline
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Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
Putting aside her politics....do you think the country is ready for a female president by 2008?

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#52792 - 07/27/04 06:54 PM Re: OT: politics
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: San Angelo, TX
nope, but we will see..

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#52793 - 07/27/04 07:42 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 02/07/04
Posts: 418
Hmmm... I like this thread. Politics shouldn't be a topic to be avoided. Without open dialog, all you know about the other side's position is what your party tells you. They ARE trying to influence your decision, you know. What they say may not be exactly correct.

Turbodog said it. I'd pick Zell Miller over Bush, Kerry, or just about everyone else. As a matter of fact, I can't think of anyone in either party that I would vote for against him. I trust him completely, he's a good man.

As to the voting for a woman in 2008? Yeah, I would do it. Condoleza (sp?) Rice - She's smart enough, strong enough, and (IMO) trustworthy enough. I'd love to see a qualified, black, female, Republican run against Hillary. Talk about a confused base. It would take the race card right out of the Dems deck...
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#52794 - 07/27/04 09:19 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 02/29/04
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Hillary: I don't see it. She is a Democratic rock star right now...something I really don't understand. She is a terribly bland speaker with a message of simple Socialism. Perhaps that's her appeal, our nation's rising sense of entitlement.

Condi vs Hillary: I love it!!! The only thing against Condi is the association with Bush which might be hard to shake. I bet those would be some great debates.

Zell Miller: I too really can appreciate this man's message. He is a true old school Democrat...the good parts of the party. Now, I wish we could have a Republican with enough balls to pull back the curtain on the Republican's like Miller did to the Democrats. The people as a whole really need to understand how outside influences plague both parties and corrupt the process of government down to it's core. Yes, that's pretty idealistic...one can only hope.

Michael Moore: I just watched O'Reily's interview with Michael Moore. That man is truly dillusional. He is so deadset on getting rid of Bush that he won't accept simple logic. Whenever he is painted into a corner during an argument, he snaps back, changing the subject or distorting the facts to fit his point....sort of like his movie.

Edward Kennedy: still the ever-bleeding heart

Predator vs Alien (AVP): COOL!!!!

Xanadu: Olivia was so damn hot!!! ..... Sorry, the wife was channel surfing.

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#52795 - 07/27/04 11:39 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
As you can see thus far, I am not scared to talk.

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Howard Dean: Still has that unhinged insane look in his eye. I so wanted him to scream that lunatic howl again.

Barack Obama: This guy is a future star!! He has the eloquence and fire of Bill Clinton. As they panned in on Hillory, I have to wonder if she felt that cold chill of someone walking over her grave.....the footsteps of a man named Barack that will be the man to crush her hopes of being the next Democratic president.

Thereza Heinz Kerry: I have to summon the angels of freedom and liberty to see if they can explain to me what the hell she was talking about. Through environmental policy and leadership we are going to reenergize the spirit of America.....Through the faces of our Peace Corps volunteers, we will restore the dwindling faith in the American ideal....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.....She thinks entirely too much...perhaps in too many languages. The problem is that those thoughts aren't very coherent. In her mind, in this era of terrorism, our saving grace is indeed going to be the idealistic gazes of the birkenstock-wearing peace corps volunteers (I can say that since I have a pair ).

I think that Thereza seems to have missed the lesson of Hillary and Bill. The American public wants to elect a president, not a first lady. We are not voting for her ideas. I don't think that she just did justice to Kerry's campaign. She pretty much made a Thereza Heinz speech and not a candidate's spouse speech. If anything, the beginning of her speech almost gave kudos to the liberating actions of Bush.

Oh well.....In the end, I don't think my first impressions is that I want to see her as our first lady. Take the presidency out of the mix and I'm left with the impression that she's kind of a space cadet mired in her own flighty thoughts.

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#52796 - 07/28/04 12:27 AM Re: OT: politics
INANE Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 1660
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
In reply to:


funny thing is.. she really hopes, deep down, that george w will win the election, so she will be set up as the 2008 demo candidate.. whatcha think about them apples??




Not funny, its absolutely true. I believe Kerry would make a bad President because I don't believe he could make the hard decisions, or the right ones. Hillary, now she just comes across as a female version of the devil! Seriously!

Bill thou, he was the master used-car-salesman-President, nobody will deny that.

Oh how I miss Reagan. Was he not the best President ever when it came to talking TO the American ppl.

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#52797 - 07/28/04 04:34 AM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16227
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
In reply to:

I believe Kerry would make a bad President because I don't believe he could make the hard decisions, or the right ones.


Why?

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Oh how I miss Reagan. Was he not the best President ever when it came to talking TO the American ppl.


I'll grant you that. His speechwriters were great and he new how to deliver speeches extremely well. You don't think any of that was his own words, do you?
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#52798 - 07/28/04 08:26 AM Re: OT: politics
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
turbodog- i couldnt agree more with the thereza comments.. her speech was boring, rambling, and just plain sporatic. if i wanted to hear some female ramble on about herself all night, i would have gone to a barbara streisand concert.. big mistake putting her on the podium..

now, as far as the moore/oreilly interview.. i think you are completely wrong.. oreailkly was the one scrambling for answers, and changing the subject. everytime moore tried to get him to stand on one single issue, all oreilly did was say "maybe", or "that depends".. the weasel would never commit to a single answer.. at least moore has the gumption and balls to stand up, and pick a side on an issue.. now if his view is differnet than yours, then thats a different story.. but, at least he takes the initiative to speak his voice, and not waller in nothingness like oreilly and his cronies.

you and i have complete polar opposite views when it came to that interview.

oh, and obama.. two thumbs up.. great speaker.. and, just like you, i was waiting for deans cork to explode.. i think we agree pretty much, except for the moore/oreilly interview..

bigjohn
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