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#53079 - 08/31/04 01:01 AM Re: OT: politics
INANE Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 1670
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
Perhaps all this Vietnam crap will end up helping Kerry, it would sure help keep ppl's mind off of who he really is!




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#53080 - 08/31/04 04:27 AM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16298
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Lame. Sorry, but I've heard the term "flip-flop" so much that my brain checks out. It's almost as lame as this.
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#53081 - 08/31/04 08:44 AM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
I have to call you out on this one. You state that you "check out" when you hear the "Flip-Flop" argument. I assume you do so brushing it off as simple partisan attack. The problem with this is the fact that the term being used has a very well-founded origin. To do so is to do exactly what Kerry is trying to do....you are trying to brush aside his 15+ years record in the Senate and vote him in solely based upon your disdain for the President. Truthfully, this is reckless. To disregard Kerry's voting record and the consistent contradictions in his positions is like picking your heart surgeon based upon his/her charm and good looks and not their qualifications.

I have to say that I'm fully surprised how much I hear people willing to vote for Kerry solely because they dislike Bush. It's such a apathetic/lazy approach to the responsibility of voting in this country. The choice of a leader needs to be made based upon the belief structure of the candidate and your confidence that his/her positions and record indicate that they will truly rise to the responsibilities of the office....not "just because".

If you want to see this idea in action, just take a walk into that crowd of protestors in New York. Yes, a few may be knowledgeable of the issues, but I would bet that they majority are these idiotic sheep caught up in the frenzy of Bush-hating wanna-be hippie mentality. Ask them to discuss Kerry's positions and watch the eyes gloss over or watch them try to divert the discussion to how "Bush is a liar!!...a warmonger!!!". In the end, you find the proof that it is our right as citizens to gather and protest, as well as our right as citizens to remain truly ignorant of how our government actually works.

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#53082 - 08/31/04 11:52 AM Re: OT: politics
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Lame? Oh, here's lame ... Jihadists sure know how to treat their gentle Buddhist friends:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Reuters) - A militant Iraqi group said it had killed 12 Nepali hostages and showed pictures of one being beheaded and others being gunned down in the worst violence against captives since a wave of kidnappings erupted in April.
The announcement of the killings, made in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site Tuesday, came as France intensified its efforts to save two French reporters held hostage in Iraq by a separate militant Islamic group.

The Nepalis were kidnapped earlier this month when they entered Iraq to work as cooks and cleaners for a Jordanian firm. The killing of men from a tiny country that had nothing to do with the invasion or occupation of Iraq will send shockwaves through foreign companies doing business here.

"We have carried out the sentence of God against 12 Nepalis who came from their country to fight the Muslims and to serve the Jews and the Christians ... believing in Buddha as their God," said the statement by the military committee of the Army of Ansar al-Sunna.

The group posted a series of photographs showing the killing as well as a video.

The recording showed two masked men, one in camouflage, holding down a hostage. One of the men then used a knife to behead the hostage and then hold his head aloft.

The video then showed a group of hostages lying face down and being shot by a man using an automatic rifle. It then showed bodies splattered with blood and bullet wounds.


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#53083 - 08/31/04 12:07 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Proceeds from the ketchup sales apparently go to scholarship funds for the kids of fallen servicemen. That's not lame, pmb.

The protesters in NY, and the fools on the streets that are intimidating convention goers, illustrates again the intolerance of the left nowadays. If you don't agree with their Marxist-based drivel you apparently shouldn't participate in democratic activities, shouldn't express your opinion, and shouldn't walk on the sidewalks of NYC. I am stunned by the thuggery demonstrated by these people.

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#53084 - 08/31/04 12:13 PM Re: OT: politics
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Please BigWill. Are you saying that the Anarcho-Trotskyites shouldn't express themselves? At least they haven't stoned anyone yet.
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#53085 - 08/31/04 01:42 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
What's the scoop w/ these anarchy fools anyway? I thought that this ignorant and juvenile concept disappears with the conclusion of puberty. Why Democrats would associate themselves with these morons is beyond me.

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#53086 - 08/31/04 01:59 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
The colleges keep spitting out new ones.

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#53087 - 08/31/04 03:46 PM Re: OT: politics
jorge016 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 248
Loc: Minnesota
An anti-Bush vote cannot be considered a lazy or reckless way of voting. I've cast a few of my presidential votes for third party candidates-voting my conscience and knowing full well that my vote was for all practical purposes meaningless. If I vote for John Kerry this year it will not only be an anti-Bush vote, it will also be anti-Cheney, anti-Rumsfeld, anti-Ashcroft, anti-Condy Rice, anti-Wolfowitz and anti-Karl Rove. I don't believe, in my heart, that this group of neo-conservatives has the ability to move this country forward. I'm very knowledgable of Kerry's weak Senate record-my wife is a passionate Democrat, we argue politics everyday. I'm extremely frustrated to not have a "great" candidate to vote for, but at this point will probably cast a vote for Kerry as I live in a "battleground" state and can't stomach the alternative. I don't think I'll live long enough to see any changes in our political system, but I don't feel that the two party system serves us well anymore. Candidates outside the realm of Democrats and Republicans can't muster the financial resources to compete.
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#53088 - 08/31/04 04:47 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
If we were in a different time, I might agree with you. However, there is too much at stake right now to be using the "anyone-but" vote. We are talking about the highest office in the US during a time of war....a time where our enemy is watching very closely and will regard this as a indicator of America's resolve and determination. At this critical juncture, I find it to be reckless to give power to someone that has absolutely NO resolve just because you don't like the President. Is there any better way to signal a victory to our enemies?

Yes, the two-party system sucks. It continues to provide weak candidates funded up the wazoo w/ special interest money. We are continually left to decide between the better of two evils. Unfortunately for everyone, the Dems dug as deep into the liberal pot and put up a real loser this year. If they would smarten up, push the fringe left to the side, and focus on their moderate base, this thing might have been a blowout. Instead of the fiscally conservative JFK-type glory, we are left with the politically-driven Teddy Kennedy-esque socialist BS....at least until the camelion changes colors again.

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