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#53639 - 09/29/04 12:05 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
No surprises there, but they all seemed to say those things with such good humor, didn't they?"

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#53640 - 09/29/04 03:57 PM Re: OT: Politics
twodan19 Offline
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Registered: 12/20/02
Posts: 624
Loc: Pembroke, Massachusetts
zarak, i agree, but it's not them supporting their kids, it's us working stiffs. now that pi$$es me off.

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#53641 - 09/29/04 07:59 PM Re: OT: Politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
The 3rd World has lots of problems - overpopulation among them.
Birth control programs just aren't going to work for those people. Food relief efforts do nothing to solve the real problems, actually making it worse in the long run if the underlying causes of the famine are not addressed. I'd like to see the corrupt elites of all those countries in the UN (like those involved in the oil for food scheme) actually decide to do something like build a dam and aqueduct system in one of these countries.
Of course, then the environmentalists will scream about lost habitat for the endangered pfiffer pfeffer pfeff and the zizzer zazzer zuzz.
I think we'll eventually see some sort of nasty, nasty epidemic bring the worlds population down, especially in those poor undeveloped countries.

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#53642 - 09/29/04 09:38 PM Re: OT: politics
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Isn't it time we talked about Iraq again?

I bring you an article written by an officer stationed in Iraq, with 20 years of experience under his belt. It's called Why We Cannot Win in Iraq.

Apparently he's in some pretty deep sh** for writing this, but that's to be expected.
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#53643 - 09/30/04 12:44 AM Re: OT: politics
craigsub Offline
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Registered: 12/15/03
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PM, Once again, I have read one of your links, and found it worthless. As soon as this nitwit declared it unconstitutional, he was toast. Congress voted on it. 302 House member voted in favor. 218 were needed. passed.

77 Senators voted in favor. 51 needed. passed.

That made it constitutional.

The man lied about that. WHAT makes you think anything else was true ?

This is why I read and think for myself, instead of reading fringe nutcases.

Try it sometime.
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#53644 - 09/30/04 01:47 AM Re: OT: politics
pmbuko Offline
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Once again, I read your reply to one of my posts and find that you have dismissed everything out of hand simply because the author has a viewpoint that does not agree with yours. You can't dismiss an entire article as worthless simply because you find a single point in error.

The war in Iraq was unconstitutional in his opinion. The rest of the article is also his opinion. His opinion on how this administration is handling Iraq happens to be informed by his current responsibilities there. As he said in his article, he is "in Civil Affairs and as such, it is [his] job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and specifically in [his] region."

Do you really disagree with everything he says? Can you give me a point my point breakdown what else you think warrants calling this man a nitwit? Do you think we are NOT fighting a guerilla war in Iraq?
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#53645 - 09/30/04 02:01 AM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
PMB, I think you have demonstrated why we cannot really win the war on terror - you demonstrated this truth with your MEMRI link and the Saudi man on the street survey as to whether any of them would shake hands with a Jewish person. None would. These attitudes are the product of a seemless world view propagated by every Saudi institution - from the 'Royal' family, to schools, universities, all media, every statement from every pulpit, every pronouncement by every 'expert,' professional, lawyer, doctor, etc. It is a world view of hatred which although it focuses on the Jew, you should not think that Christians occupy a substantially higher status in their eyes. Ask the average Saudi whether he condemns 'suicide' (homicide) bombing of innocents in Israeli Pizza Parlors or busses and he will tell you there are no 'innocents' in Israel - not even children. Saudis have been selfless in their use of petrodollars, generous with that money to fund schools, Islamic centers, mosques, all over the world to spread ths world view of hatred, malice and lies to the faithful.

Ultimately, if the war on terror is to be won, it must be fought by Muslims against Muslims. Although these Saudis were unanimous in their refusal to shake hands with a Jewish person, and if asked, I'm sure each would have said he would be glad to kill any Jew he came across, it was not widely reported, but Alawi, the acting PM of Iraq shook hands with the Israeli ambassador to the UN after Alawi's address to the General Assembly. This must have outraged Kofi Annan, but demonstrates that the change of regimes in Iraq, brought about by US force of arms, has resulted in at least a tentative and symbolic shift in the Arab world. A small first step, but every journey starts with nothing greater.


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#53646 - 09/30/04 07:22 AM Re: OT: politics
craigsub Offline
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
PM, As a liberal, I know you think the Constitution is an opinion piece, it is not. The constitution specifically says Congress must vote to give the President the power to wage war. Our Congress voted on th Iraq war. It passed. That is not an opinion. SO... The guy lied about it.

Period.
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#53647 - 09/30/04 01:18 PM Re: OT: politics
Riffman Offline
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Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 242
Some of these links I have seen provide good examples that the internet is a tool for making humans more stupid. Devolution is REAL.

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#53648 - 09/30/04 01:24 PM Re: OT: politics
Zarak Offline
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Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
Is it that much of a blanket statement that anything that Congress passes to allow war to be waged is ok? Is there nothing else in the Constitution that this guy might have been referring to, and therefore considering what was going on unconstituitional?

Is it ok for us to go attack any country we want based on the Constitution, as long as congress passes it?

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