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#87245 - 03/26/05 09:55 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
RickF Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
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Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
Thanks for the explaination, I'll check out all of my options. I'm get the speakers first and then work from there.
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#87246 - 03/27/05 02:34 AM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Prima Luna tube amplifier, Marantz SA-8260 CD Player, or Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CDP with upsampler. JMHO.




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#87247 - 03/27/05 04:03 AM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7405
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
2x6spds, I'm curious of your thoughts on the PrimaLuna. I've just started getting interested in tubes, and am slowly building my funds towards an amp. So far I've only gotten halfway through building a preamp. I know this is an integrated, but have been looking at it along with ASL MG SI 15 DT. The PrimaLuna sounds pretty idiot proof, which is right up my alley. Funny, I live about 10 minutes away from Upscale Audio, but have never ventured in there. I don't think my pocket book will allow me to look at "high-end" audio stuff .
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#87248 - 03/27/05 12:45 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Hi StPatGuy

I have an ASL MG S1 15DT. It is absolutely superb - the most musical of all my amps (Onkyo Integra M504, Yamaha M80, Kenwood KA9100). I spoke with Kevin from Upscale a few times, and he thinks the Prima Luna is much better than the ASL. I can hardly imagine this, because the ASL sounds so good, but Kevin has always been square with me.

I haven't made it over to Upscale either, but someday I'll have the time.

I think the challenge about high end sound is to try to get there for as little money as possible. Sometimes, for me, this means "buy used." I have a pair of Thiel CS 3.6 speakers which I got from local classifieds for a few dollars more than a pair of M80s. I paid much less for the Onk and Yamaha M80s than I could get comparable amps new.

Then there are giant killers like the ASL MGS115DT and the Prima Luna, and great CDPs like the Marantz and the Ah! Njoe Tjoeb which compare favorably to units costing thousands of dollars. (IMO) BTW, there's another giant killer CDP - the Philips SACD1000, which is out of production, can only be had used, and has reliability issues. (there are guys out there who can modify the Philips, cure the reliability issue and take this CDP up to a level where few CDPs can compare.
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#87249 - 03/27/05 01:33 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7405
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Thanks 2x6,
I've read your posts in the past regarding the ASL and it looks like a good place to start with tubes. As with other SET amps, though, attention must be paid to speaker pairing (from what I understand). Gives me a good excuse to buy some M3s! The Prima Luna offers more power, so I'm guessing it would be easier to drive a variety of speakers. In any case, I'm still in the process of learning about tubes, but haven't yet taken the jump.
The Ah! Njoe Tjoeb is also a tempting unit. Another piece of equipment that seems to outperforms its price. Although, it still is pretty expensive to me. Until I win the lottery, that is. . .

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#87250 - 03/27/05 02:05 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
Riffman Offline
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Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 242
I would:

1. Not get a sub with the M60s or the M80s. Unless, of course, you like muddy bass. The M60s and M80s provide more than adequate amount of tight, deep, clear bass. Even better if you have a good amp.

2. Get a tube integrated. The Primaluna Prologue One ($1k) or Two ($1,350). You will get gorgeous warmth, tonality, harmonics, deeper bass, more defined bass, and all the power or loudness you would ever want. Look, I'm not big on suggesting products to people but figured I throw something different to the usual Rotel, NAD, Outlaw, combinations. My opinion is that there are now a couple of tube integrateds that are cheaper or as cheap as a pre/pro combo from brands like Rotel, NAD, etc...

3. Use the above amp with a cheap cd player. In the meantime, save for a big time player. The Primaluna will provide unbelievable detail from the cheapest players. This was my experience.

Do all the above and you will have one sweet system. Do it differently and you will still have one sweet system (due to the M80s). You can't lose!

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#87251 - 03/27/05 02:06 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
Riffman Offline
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Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 242
haha! didn't read the thread. 2X6 spds beat me to it!

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#87252 - 03/27/05 02:10 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
Riffman Offline
local

Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 242
oh, and if you would like a ridiculously large soundstage to go with your music at home, plan on investing in a decent turntable. just another thought.

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#87253 - 03/27/05 02:41 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5416
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>Get a tube integrated. The Primaluna Prologue One ($1k) or Two ($1,350).

Wow... I didn't even know you could *get* tube integrated amps. This sounds like a great idea...

Only concern, I guess, is that the system is going into a fairly large room IIRC. Will this be a problem ?

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#87254 - 03/27/05 10:21 PM Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
And not only will a tube amp provide amplification, it'll also heat and light your home!

Noch einmal?

Bren R.

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