Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Bookshelves vs floorstanding

Hey Bill,

Follow this link for all of Denon's receivers in Canada.

Also, as many members have told me, the Denon 2805 and 985 are identical except in price. Very awesome HT receiver.

Crutchfield has good info too. Other members like HK, Yamaha, or Pioneer. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those, just get what you like.

Hope that helps

I have the M80’s, and I use a sub. With the sub off, music just seems to feel naked to me. I’ve tried turning it off for a while just to hear the speakers alone. It isn’t long before I turn the sub back on. I don’t have it playing loud or have the X-over set high either, just “enough”. Usually somewhere between 60 and 80.

I think whether you will need one or not just depends on the music you listen to and if you like to “feel” the bass or not. I listen to rock, alternative rock, country, blues, some blue grass and when I feel mello, I listen to contemporary. So, I listen to just about anything. Don’t listen to classical or anything remotely similar to rap and dance, or hip hop or whatever that’s called nowadays.

I think Wid uses a sub with his 80’s as well. So I guess what I’m trying to say is, don’t expect any speaker with small drivers to give you tons of low end bass, they don’t. What they do give you is amazingly tight / accurate bass and mids. A sub compliments them very nicely. Plus, you can get a set of 60’s or 80’s and a quality sub for less than many of the other manufactures. You’ll have the great high’s, mid’s, low’s and then comes in the sub….thump thump all you want with the twist of a knob. Or if you’re like me, just a little ‘tweak’ is all it takes. The best of all worlds.

What sub do you use mdrew? Do you use it with a surround receiver or amp/preamp combo, or with a stereo one? Do you think EP350 is gonna be enough in my room (20 X 22 feet) and with my M60s. I never thought that I would need a sub for my music, but I read this often in the forums, and even the Rotel dealer told me so. I am really confused. My RC-1070 2 channel pre-amp has inputs for a sub though and I know that I can add it to it. Besides, this would be money well spend, since I would be able to use the subwoofer for my future HT system. What do you guys think?

Buying a really good sub is never a bad decision. I'd look at the EP500, Hsu, or SVS models.

Again I say get the best floorstanding that you can afford now. Enjoy them to the fullest. (I recommend 60's over 80's unless you want to really amp them up) Then a month, a year, a couple of years later when you have the dough, get a SWEET sub just like spiffnme recommends. You will appreciate both your speakers and sub more if you buy them like this.

A quality sub adds amazingly to a pair of excellent towers. Not that the towers can't stand alone. . .but the sub does add this sweet bass that you will get addicted to.

By all means buy them separate if it means skimping to buy both now.

I actually do have M60s, I purchased them 3 weeks ago, and most likely will keep them. EP350 seems more affordable, and I was wondering what the difference is with EP500? Apart from the power?

I have the Outlaw LFM-1 sub woofer. The primary reason I bought it was that it’s a 12” down firing sub. I have it and the 80’s in my great room, which is a large open area (kitchen, living, and dining) that’s 32’X28’ with vaulted ceilings. I don’t have many places to put it and the speakers due to furniture, a fireplace, dining area, windows, etc. I had heard that down firing subs are more forgiving when it comes to placement, so I bought it. Plus, it looks really cool too. The dark plexi-glass top is a nice touch. I can use it as an end table if I want. And it’s priced right and has had some excellent reviews. I don’t regret it, the bastard will rattle window screens more than twenty feet away if I crank it up. It plays very tight and deep. Almost as good as the twin VanGogh’s in my truck which are one of the most musical SQ car audio subs on the market right now. I can’t comment on other subs because this is the first home audio sub I’ve owned. I am pretty dam picky though…….For music, don’t listen to all those folks who’ll tell you to buy some monster sub the size of a small rhino, or buy two or three…….you just don’t need it. Look at my room dimensions, and I ain’t bull****in’ you. You can actually feel it twenty feet away. For movies, I don’t have a clue. You might need more. I doubt it, but maybe.

As far as the set up, the 80’s and sub are only used for stereo music. I have them playing off the 7200’s zone two configuration, which is basically the surround back amps. It’s rated at 100 wpc, but probably more like 125 actual power. In this configuration, I have no tone controls and there isn’t an extra sub output, so the sub is being ran line level. The 80’s are downstream of the sub. I have NAD separates on order for this set up, but they haven’t arrived. The 7200 is going to a dedicated HT room, so I needed something else to drive the 80’s.

I looked at the 1070 and don’t recall seeing any sub inputs. You have me a little confused with that one. Do you mean outputs? Regardless of that, I do not think the Rotel separates have a sub out put. I think you are pretty much stuck with running a sub through the line level speaker wires with all separates. AVR’s all have the .1 sub output, but none of the separates that I looked at. But then again, I wasn’t looking at the high dollar ones either…….

The EP500 goes quite a bit deeper in the bass than the EP350. It has a different driver, DSP-based EQ and driver control to keep the frequency response flat, and enough power to handle playing both loud *and* flat.

Thank you guys for all the reviews and advise!!

Sorry, RC-1070 has preouts for a sub and not an input. It is a double, left right RCA output. I guess it can be used as a low level connection to a subwoofer, and I was told one coaxial subwoofer cable is enough, running from either one (right or left) output in my 1070.

I was playing my music again today for 4+ hrs, and my m60 coupled with my Rotel separates really provide great bass!! I don't know what a subwoofer can add more, but I may be wrong. That is what I've learned from this hobby, you're happy until you get to try the new level, and so on... it never ends...