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#93716 - 05/08/05 11:34 PM subwoofer recommendations
theshade Offline
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Registered: 12/13/04
Posts: 4
what do you guys think is the better subwoofer. i would use it mostly for music which i listen to almost everyday and movies that i watch once a week. im from the philippines and the brands most recommended arent available here like svs and hsu. or i have to pay astronomical delivery fees. of the subs i auditioned here, i cant seem to decide on the following:

1. klipsh rw-10 (ported)
-Bass-reflex powered design, 10" front-firing aluminum cone woofer, 280w BASH digital hybrid amplifier, 25Hz-120Hz ±3dB, 39 lb.
-- MSRP: $ 499.00 i could this for 24,000 pesos here

2. velodyne cht-10 (ported)
- i could get this for 24,000 pesos

3. usher sw-103 (ported)
- * Sensitivity:88dB 1watt/1m
* Nominal impedance:8ohms
* Frequency response(-3dB):28Hz~180kHz
* Power handling:100watts
* Dimensions(wxdxh):33cmx49cmx48cm
-i could get this for 19,000 pesos

4. wharfedale sw250 (sealed)
* Amplifier Power: 250W
* Input Sensitivity: 325mv/150W
* Frequency Response: 30Hz-110Hz
* Maximum SPL Crossover: 35Hz-85Hz
-MSRP: $ 700.00 i could get this for 20,000 pesos here. wharfedale products cost cheaper here in the philippines.

5. dali concept sub (sealed)
-DALI Concept Sub
Frequency Response [Hz] 29 - 170
Nominal Impedance [Ohm] 20 k RCA stereo/35 k RCA LFE
Maximum SPL [dB] 110
Enclosure Type Sealed
Amplifier 160 W RMS
Low Frequency Drivers 12"air-dried pulp cone
Dimensions (H x W x D) [cm]41 x 38 x 42
Dimensions (H x W x D) [inch]16.1 x 15 x 16.5
Weight [kg]/[lb.]21.2/46.7
-i could get this for 21,000 pesos

or would it be better to get wharfedale sw-150(ported) cause it only costs 9000 pesos here. this sub won product of the year in whathifi. would the performance that i would get be negligible if i opt for the higher models listed above? or would i be dissappointed in the long run if i get the wharfe sw-150.

hoping that you guys could help me. thanks a lot.



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#93717 - 05/09/05 02:43 AM Re: subwoofer recommendations
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7373
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Hmm, I haven't heard any of those subs. Closest thing I've had is a Klipsch ksw12. I've heard some good things about the Velodyne CHT. Last week, however, I went to a store where they had a Velodyne SPL 1000 II playing and I didn't like it at all. Sounded sloppy and loose. I didn't spend much time in the room and didn't look to see how it was set up. Maybe the sales guy didn't know what he was doing.

From what I've read, sealed subs are supposed to perform better for music. It's purely subjective, but I'm sure there are differences in sound between ported and sealed subs. The Velodyne I heard was sealed, but sounded nasty. May not be the subs fault but the sales guy.

Wharfedales seem to be gaining momentum in the bang for your buck products. Looks good for the price, but again, I haven't heard one.

The majority of music doesn't go below 34Hz (this directly from Hsu), unless you are a pipe organ fan. So all these subs look like they can suit your purpose. I'm sorry I can't be much more help. Hopefully someone else has some direct experience.
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#93718 - 05/09/05 01:37 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
zathras Offline
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Registered: 12/09/03
Posts: 54
I'm found myself faced with a similar predicament as yourself.

Have you considered a DIY sub. Its easy to beat the performance of any mass market sub. Parts Express are a good place to buy from and ship internationally and there's lots of helpful advice available at the Home Theater Forum:DIY section. I've built a ported 12" Dayton DVC but for music a sealed 15" Tempest or Titanic would be magnificent.

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#93719 - 05/09/05 02:17 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
Foghorn Offline
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Registered: 07/17/04
Posts: 226
I have Velodyne CHT 12 and CHT 8. I auditioned everything that was locally available and Velodyne beat them easily in terms of price to performance. This includes, Klipsch, Polk Audio, Infinity, Sony, JBL. KLH. Yamaha and several other brands I can't remember. I remain extremely pleased with both of them. I can't comment on the other brands you mention in your post because I haven't heard them. At this point, my general take on Velodyne subs is that other companies like Hsu and SVS (and maybe others that aren't available to you) are probably providing a better product at the low end of the price range but a Velodyne sub is still a high quality sub from a company that essentially specializes in subwoofers so you can't really go wrong with it.

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#93720 - 05/09/05 02:57 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
thyname Offline
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Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 552
Loc: Oakton, VA
Do you guys really think that adding a subwoofer to a 2 channel music-dedicated system will improve the sound? I have M60s and am quite happy with their bass.
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#93721 - 05/09/05 03:04 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
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Yes.
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#93722 - 05/09/05 03:15 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
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Loc: Iowa
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#93723 - 05/09/05 03:34 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
RickF Offline
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 5210
Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
In reply to:

Do you guys really think that adding a subwoofer to a 2 channel music-dedicated system will improve the sound? I have M60s and am quite happy with their bass.




My opinion is yes the 60s do sound better with a sub for 2 ch music, definitely.








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#93724 - 05/09/05 04:02 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
bugbitten Offline
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Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
I just returned for a weekend trip. Listening in the other room while my son was watching a dvd, I thought to myself that something didn't sound right. I finally went in and watched some Phantom Of The Opera. Then I remembered that I had turned off the sub. What a difference!!. Get the sub.

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#93725 - 05/09/05 04:48 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
Tharkun Offline
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Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 1039
Loc: Tracy, California
Ya, that happens here when one of the roomies powers up the system and does not turn on the BFD, only takes a few minutes for me to tell. I need to work on a way for the BFD to use the Halo trigger system.

But yes, I as well recommend at least one sub even with just a stereo mode.
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#93726 - 05/09/05 04:59 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6717
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

I would say yes to the sub too.I run one with my M80s.
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#93727 - 05/09/05 08:17 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
ratpack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1155
Loc: Alabama
wid:

I was wondering what sort of a subwoofer you run with your M80s? I have a set of M80s somewhere between Axiom and my house, and need a new subwoofer anyhow.

I suspect that the M80s would have good bass just by themselves.

Your comments would be appreciated.

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#93728 - 05/09/05 08:54 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
F107plus5 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 2034
Loc: Fla. Orig. Mich.
Yup, go with the sub, no question there!
Cross it at 60hz and keep the vocals in the mains where they belong, not sneaking into the sub.

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#93729 - 05/09/05 08:59 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
Wid Offline
axiomite

Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6717
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
Bernard,

I have a Hsu Stf-3.The crossover is set at 60hz and sounds great with the M80s.The 80s do have good low end on their own but once you get used to listening with a sub it's hard not to.
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#93730 - 05/09/05 11:19 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
bugbitten Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
Lots of good threads here. Do a search for subwoofers. I have to keep a leash on my 500 or it will knock the house off the foundations. I preferred the matching look, so all axiom.

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#93731 - 05/10/05 09:50 AM Re: subwoofer recommendations
thyname Offline
aficionado

Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 552
Loc: Oakton, VA
Hey Dennis (tharkun), I saw some of your pictures, WOW!!! great system!! Also, I know that a sub is necessary for HT, but I only care for 2 ch. music.

I am not quite sure what the difference is between subs regarding down firing or up firing.
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#93732 - 05/10/05 09:55 AM Re: subwoofer recommendations
bugbitten Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
Here is an interesting post from S&V about down vs. side http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=20557


Edited by bugbitten (05/10/05 09:56 AM)

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#93733 - 05/10/05 11:39 AM Re: subwoofer recommendations
Ken.C Offline
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17696
Loc: NoVA
And that's exactly what we're saying. It's REALLY nice to have a sub with 2 channel music. A properly calibrated sub adds quite a lot. The only issues I've seen with a sub and 2 channel music were at Dennis's house, where the EP600s just went TOO low and were playing the subsonics on a poorly mastered disc.
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#93734 - 05/10/05 05:47 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
audiofan Offline
local

Registered: 03/19/04
Posts: 203
Thyname,

I think you have the same setup as i do. One thing i think most people including myself forget is to treat the listening room (room acoustic). I have just finished my listening room by placing acoustic foam from foambymail.com to treat first reflection point on side wall , back wall and bass trap to all four corners of the room.

I must say that bass is much much better , tighter on M60 and i'm happy. I originally thought M60 does not do any good on bass, but I was wrong....

Anyway, room acoustic is a must.

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#93735 - 05/11/05 04:19 AM Re: subwoofer recommendations
KC_Mike Offline
local

Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 209
Loc: KS
I have heard the SW150 and it's a great little sub. Bass is nice and controlled. The new SW series are a big improvement over the old powercube series; which I found to be on the boomy side and very average.

If Wharfedale is indeed cheaper where you live as you stated; then I would take advantage of that and get as much sub as possible by considering the bigger subs in the SW series....the 12" SW300 and the 15" SW380.



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#93736 - 05/12/05 04:14 PM Re: subwoofer recommendations
johnnyc Offline
frequent flier

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 16
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Since you are on the Axiom website and I assume you are an Axiom owner, why not consider an Axiom sub. Both the EP175 and the EP350 (which I own) will go deep and clean and work with any main speakers beautifullly. Just be sure to adjust sub volume and crossover carefully to match your mains - a helper and a sound meter (affordable from Radio Shack) are a big help with this. A test tone disk doesn't hurt either.

Hope this helps.

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