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#100353 - 06/27/05 10:21 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
PaulM Offline
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Registered: 03/12/05
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Loc: St. Albert, Alberta
You can basically ignore the wattage ratings for speakers. The more important spec.s are sensitivity (e.g. how efficient are they), freq. response +- 3dB and impedance.

You'll be more than fine with 50-100 watts of power from the amp with the speakers you are considering. Axioms are very efficient so don't require a lot of power to drive them and all but the M80's run at 8 ohms which is easy for amplifiers/receivers to power.

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#100354 - 06/28/05 01:39 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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Registered: 06/27/05
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I'm probably going to order today or tomorrow but I have a few more things to get right.

Fronts: Pair Millennia M22ti Bookshelves
Center: VP100 Center
Surrounds: Pair QS4 Surrounds
Sub: Hsu STF1? I looked into this a little. So it's a good choice for my size room? The EP350 is probably too much unneeded power, right?
Amplifier: Onkyo 502 or Onkyo 602? Is there any reason to get the more expensive one?
Wires: All the wires I need are 16ga lampcords? Where can I find those? Radio shack or a hardware store or something? I would need 1 for each speaker right?

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#100355 - 06/28/05 02:01 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
mrnomas Offline
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 86
Loc: Florida
Couple of things, this site sells wires for cheap. Search for Belden. I generally use 12ga, though 16 may be fine for shorter runs. I have all the speakers that you are planning on getting and you’re going to be thrilled. I’ve used and love Onkyo receivers so you’ll be fine with either though I prefer the 602 for the extra channel, surround modes (DTS96/24), power, ect. The only thing that concerns me is this statement:
In reply to:

The EP350 is probably too much unneeded power, right?



Unneeded power? Too much? Huh?

Remember bigger subs are not (only) about louder – it’s about lower. Decide how low you want to go, then find the sub that does that the best (meaning flat response to that number).

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#100356 - 06/28/05 11:47 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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Registered: 06/27/05
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Fronts: Pair Millennia M22ti Bookshelves
Center: VP100 Center
Surrounds: Pair QS4 Surrounds
Subwoofer: HSU STF-1 SUBWOOFER
Amplifier: Onkyo 602
Wires:I relize I need 16ga wires, but that site linked above didn't help me, I searched for them and got all kinds of results. I need a direct link to where I can buy them.

Does this all look good? Anything else I would need? I'd like to make my orders within a day or so.

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#100357 - 06/28/05 11:50 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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You may want to go with 14 or 12 gauge wires. 16 is probably fine, but it just feels a little thin to me. (audio voodoo!)
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#100358 - 06/28/05 11:56 PM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 2034
Loc: Fla. Orig. Mich.
Just a bit of reinforcement on your receiver selection:

I've used Onkyos' for years with great results! I'm currently using a 602 myself right now!!

In my opimion: Good Choice!





Oh yeah......Axiom makes great speakers too!!!!
Rich.

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#100359 - 06/29/05 12:07 AM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5256
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>The EP350 is probably too much unneeded power, right?

Well... the EP350 is definitely "better" than the STF-1 in that it both has more power and will play even deeper into the bass. We suggested STF-1 because it is probably the least expensive sub you can get that you will be really happy with. If you can swing the budget for a bigger Axiom (or Hsu, or..) sub then I don't think anyone will try to talk you out of it. We do tend to suggest EP350 over EP175 just because the price difference is really small and the EP350 is a better performer... but the price difference from STF-1 to EP350 is quite a bit more.

Anyways, I think this will be a real nice system, no need to upgrade any of the pieces, although Bridgman's law still applies :

Buy the sub last, and if you have money left over after ordering everything else get a bigger sub (assuming you live in a detached house).

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#100360 - 06/29/05 12:27 AM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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SL, yes probably the simplest thing is just to pick up 16ga lampcord at a local RadioShack, Home Depot, hardware store, etc. However here's a source for various wires with reasonable prices from 20 cents a foot up and reasonable shipping charges.
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#100361 - 06/29/05 08:33 AM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6212
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
50' of SoundKing 16 GA - $16.95
100' of SoundKing 16 GA - $24.50

50' of SoundKing 14 GA - $21.95
100' of SoundKing 14 GA - $34.50

50' of SoundKing 12 GA - $22.95
100' of SoundKing 12 GA - $37.50

I use 12 GA, but you would probably be OK with the 16 or 14 GA. When figuring how much you need, be sure to measure the EXACT path the wire will follow, and allow a little extra for each run just in case.
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#100362 - 06/29/05 10:56 AM Re: Need much help with getting a system!
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 86
Loc: Florida
In reply to:

but that site linked above didn't help me




here is some 16 gauge for 7 cents a foot

or here for 12 for 17 cents a foot (this is what I used for my HT, not that you should care)

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