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#126833 - 02/04/06 11:35 PM Axiom Vs PSB
jmone Offline
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Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 156
Loc: Sydney Australia
Hi All,
After some feedback and study here and over at Audioholics, I've ordered M60Ti, VP150, QS8 to go with my Yami V2600 from the Factory Outlet (to offset some of the shipping / tax charges to Syd Aust.). I've since seen that PSB has a local distributor over here (but yet to audition) and asked on the Audioholics board about the following comparision:
- Axiom M60Ti Vs. PSB Image 6T
- Axiom VP150 Vs. PSB Image 8C
- Axiom QS8 Vs. PSB Image 10s

So far the replies have all been for the PSB's over the Axiom and given they are a lot cheaper (60% of the Axiom Price for me in Oz) thought I better get some options from you fine folks, especially if you have hear the PSB's.

Any thoughts?
Thanks Again
Nathan
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#126834 - 02/04/06 11:49 PM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7400
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Hi Nathan. I haven't heard the PSBs, but they are a very well-regarded company. If you have doubts, your best bet may be to do a side by side comparison. It sounds like you've already ordered the Axioms. Ask your local dealer if he will allow an in home demo. Best way to decide for yourself which speaker you like best.

What kind of speakers do you have now? Do you have a preference for a particular type of sound?
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#126835 - 02/05/06 12:10 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13333
Loc: Iowa
Nathan, if you do a search for:

psb psbs

change "phrase" to "or"

There are all kinds of threads regarding PSB comparisons with Axioms on this board.
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#126836 - 02/05/06 04:39 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
jmone Offline
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Registered: 01/08/06
Posts: 156
Loc: Sydney Australia
Thanks guys, I've already read back a few years on similar posts and the seem to be well regarded. I do have the Axiom's on order and while not a audiophile by any stretch of imagination, I know from what I've heard I prefered the broad open sound stage (and invisibility) of the Focal.JM lab Chorus 716 over say the (to me) muddy compressed sound stage of the B&W 603 series. I also prefer the sound from full size fronts (very unimpressed with all the micro set ups!).

As I'm in Aust I really can not compare them side by side, and wanted to know the "relative value for money" given the PSB's are only 60% of the price of the Axiom pack I've ordered.
Thanks
Nathan
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#126837 - 02/05/06 06:53 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
bridgman Online   content
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5376
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
At first I was concerned about the price difference but after digging a bit I stopped worrying. The 6Ts are the previous generation of PSB floorstanders, more ore less replaced by the T65s. I auditioned the "xT" series of PSBs before buying Axioms and found them a bit rough, sort of a "rock" speaker. The newest PSBs are supposed to be a bit smoother and are probably a better match for the Axioms.

The 8C is PSB's equivalent of the VP100, not the VP150. I haven't heard it but it's probably comparable although again it is from the "xT" series -- the current PSBs are the C40 and C60, where a C40 seems to replace the 8C and the C60 seems to replace the 9C.

Regarding surrounds, I don't think I have ever seen a review which doesn't say the QS8s are the best of the bunch, so I think it's safe to say you made a good choice there. The PSB 10S is supposed to be pretty good though...

Bottom line; if you want a fair price comparison, use the T65s, C60 and S50s for comparison, not the 6Ts and the 8C. If your local dealer only has the previous line of speakers, at least use the 9c for comparison.

If you do an apples-to-apples comparison and still find the PSBs to be considerably cheaper, I would think hard about going with PSBs just for the cost. They will be nice speakers. Not better than the Axioms, but definitely comparable.

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#126838 - 02/05/06 09:10 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
What is funny, is Axiom is generally known to be the best bang for the buck in audiophile speakers. I'm suprised something could be that much cheaper, we must not be comparing apples to apples in quality/sound. I don't know, I've never heard PSB's.

I compare my m60's to be very similar to the B&W 703's, which cost a lot more. For surrounds, I've never heard any other brand speaker at any cost that gives you the experience of the Qs8's. We don't need to discuss the subs, we know how great they are, especially the EP500/600. Also, the VP150 is one of the best centers I've owned.

good luck mate.
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#126839 - 02/05/06 09:59 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
bridgman Online   content
axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5376
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
This isn't so much a "PSB to Axiom" comparison (we know how that works out) but measuring the impact of shipping one system at a time to the other side of the planet vs. shipping a containerload to a distributor. Within North America the cost premium for rapid shipment of a single system is pretty low, but as you get further away from NA the equation doesn't hold up so well.

Remember the guy from Oman ? Shipping costs >> speaker costs ;(

The fact that these are a previous generation of PSB with a smaller center channel doesn't help -- even Axiom can't always compete with clearout prices


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#126840 - 02/05/06 10:20 AM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
alan Offline
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3187
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Jmone (Nathan),

It depends on which PSB series you are talking about. During many yeas as an editor of Canadian AV magazines, I did double-blind listening comparisons at Canada's National Research Council with PSB, Axiom, Paradigm, Energy, Mirage and many other brands.

Generally speaking, Axiom's models are more neutral and transparent than PSB's Image series. The Axioms are comparable to the PSB Stratus series. The Axiom M60ti or M80ti, for example, would be comparable to the PSB Stratus Gold or Stratus Silver, and a lot less costly.

Regards,
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#126841 - 02/05/06 12:23 PM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
SirClyde Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 212
Loc: Cedar Park, Tx
Hi Nathan,

Before buying my Axiom's I was going to buy some PSB's. They are good speakers. My brother has PSB's along with a velodyne sub they good. I was researching for a few months and I was ready to buy PSB. I went down to Los Angeles to visit my sister and DMC electronics is a few miles from her house so I decided to stop in for a listen. The show room was not set up (in my opinion) correctly. Basically everything was in one room. No a dedicated HT.

The t65 which I was interested in sounded ok. My brother in law who came along with me liked them so much he bought a pair. I listened to the stratus line and then the Platinum. Platinum was great but $4999. for a blemish pair was a bit to much for me. I decided to wait and do a little more research. I found out that Axiom used to make the speakers for PSB.

I think I did not get the PSB 's that day because my brother in law got them. I hate having the same things as he does. You have to know him to understand why. A few more weeks went by audition here and there. Talking to AXIOM and the members here. With all the good things I was hearing about them I went ahead and bought them. I was not afraid about buying speakers that I have not yet listened to because of the return policy.

After owning my Axiom's now for 2 months I can absolutely say I love them and made a good choice in getting them. In my opinion and I am not an audiophile by no means my M60's sounds closet to the PSB Stratus Gold. When I visit my sister and listen to their PSB I think they sound good. When they come here they think mine sounds GREAT. When I pop in a movie they are blown away.

$699 for PSB T65's
$810 for M60's from factory outlet plus another 5% for ordering more than 5 items
$1499 for PSB Stratus Gold

If you want bang for the buck the T65 is it. If you really want bang for the buck, value and performance M60.

Good luck and have fun


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#126842 - 02/05/06 09:16 PM Re: Axiom Vs PSB
blown302 Offline
regular

Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 8
Loc: Moorhead MN
I have the PSB 5t's and love them. They are a bit older but are still in the image line. I've only heard the Axiom M22 bookshelf speakers and they leave a little to be desired in my opinion. Don't get me wrong they are a great little speaker and sound great for such a small package. I would just prefer a larger speaker.

The M60's are a tower and that strikes my fancy but there is one problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are rear ported. That means they have to be pulled from the wall a ways and when you are as poor as me and already have limited space that becomes a problem. Not to mention they are meant to be in a Large room correct.

This means in the world of axiom when you have a small to medium room your opitons are limited to the dinky bookselfs and the m45's (not sure on the model), which are a whole different animal as I understand it(word of mouth).

The 5t's fit in my between small and medium room well. so I don't have a problem there. When coupled with a Stratus Subsonic 7 it sounds great. I just received as Denon 1083 and I really like it. my Center is an 8c and 50s's to backup up the system. I was looking at the qs8's but I didnt' want to mismatch the system.

I don't like telling that one speaker is better than the another. HT system is exactly that a system. If the components don't match they will sound like crap.

Then my last point is, personal preferance. Everybody is different and that's why products are that diverse. I would Never buy a pair of shoes without trying them on. Same with speakers, if I can't hear them with a amp like mine I look in other places.

Just my opinion and no flaming please(first post).
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