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#140177 - 05/30/06 11:14 PM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: pmbuko]
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Moving Pictures is one of my favorites.
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#140178 - 05/30/06 11:17 PM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: SirQuack]
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Here's an article about it. You may not want to read it, though, lest your enjoyment of the album go down.
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#140179 - 05/30/06 11:25 PM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: Ken.C]
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Very interesting read, thanks Ken....
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#140180 - 05/31/06 12:40 AM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: Ken.C]
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Stupid engineers ruin Rush CD! Now Hulk angry! Hulk smash puny humans!!! On side note, Hulk wonder why Hulk's clothes all destroyed 'cept Hulk's purple pants.

... and, we're back. Wow, Ken, great article. I'm learning so much here on the boards, what between the educational videos that Peter posts about spinal laxity and the engineering papers that you post.

I hope that Alex Lifeson didn't fall into the louder is better trap as he helped remaster the 3 concert DVDs that re-release in two weeks. He's not previouisly been that involved in their engineering/sound AFAIK. Usually Geddy's the one who is interested in that stuff.
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#140181 - 05/31/06 01:24 AM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: medic8r]
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Hulk always wear same underwear! Simpler that way! Now Hulk smash questioning Hulk!

That's got to be about the only engineering paper I've ever posted... probably always will be. I think I got bogged down in the middle of it, but it was interesting!
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#140182 - 05/31/06 03:16 AM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: medic8r]
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Here are some interesting articles:

What Happened To Dynamic Range?

Loudness War

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#140183 - 05/31/06 08:56 AM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: SirQuack]
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That is a good article. I could definetly hear the overbearing loudness on some of the songs, but I must have fallen victem to this as many new CDS are recorded this way so I thought it was acceptable. I didn't like the CD at first, but after seeing them perform it live, I got to like it. I just hope they remaster VT and record their next CD at proper levels of loudness.
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#140184 - 05/31/06 09:34 AM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: medic8r]
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The original Rolling Stones CD pressings were almost painful to listen to on my setup. I bought my wife a couple of remastered versions (because I wanted to hear if they were better) and I found the difference to be huge. Since then we have replaced all of the first CD pressings of the Stones, Led Zeppelin, and various other discs. The Led Zep first pressings were dreadful as well. The first pressings of the Beatles' albums fared much better. It seems that waiting a few years before doing the transfers helped quite a bit as opposed to rushing them out ASAP. Maturing technology and whatnot.
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#140185 - 05/31/06 01:36 PM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: Rapmon]
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Yup, over bearing, too loud, distorted etc. That's what I meant by VT sucks. Though not my favorite Rush album by any means it would be a lot better if one could actually hear it properly. I think perspective on Rush albums depends on age too. I go back a ways. I've seen them live 30 + times now as of the VT tour going all the way back to 2112. Everything up to Counterparts was awesome. Since then....Eh.

BTW, Alex Lifeson and Son were the driving force behind the R-30 DVD engineering and it sounds great. So hopefully they have learned there leason and this new Rush Replay DVD collection will be as good. However they do have to work with the original material. No matter I already have it ordered from Amazon!

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#140186 - 05/31/06 08:23 PM Re: Are "remastered" CDs worth an upgrade? [Re: Robert_W]
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Thanks for setting me strait Robert. I guess I didn't want to admit it, but the VT CD is almost unlistenable. Probably more than almost. I listened to it today and had to turn it off after the third song. It's too bad, because the songs are great. Is that some thing that can be fixed if they remaster it?
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