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#1430 - 07/08/02 02:07 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire?
JBG Offline
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Registered: 06/14/02
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I know of some people who have used even some home electrical wire and auditioned them can't see any audible differnces with my expensive 12 gauge monster cable.. all comes down to looks if you ask me....
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#1431 - 07/09/02 08:17 AM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
CAV104 Offline
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Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 118
Loc: Lake Worth, FL
Hey Duff,

Go to "Advice from Axiom Owners" forum and find a post titled "Cable match up to the M60" it's a few pages back. When you get to the post go to page 5, there you will find a post dated 6/10/02, 4:16 pm with a link to SPEAKER WIRE. Give it a read.

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#1432 - 07/09/02 03:15 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
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Just wanted to thank you for your previous offer of Russell information, Jim. I found his home page a few months ago and found the information very useful.
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#1433 - 07/09/02 04:44 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
CAV104 Offline
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Hey JohnK,

Rodger that.

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#1434 - 07/10/02 09:12 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire?
avr5700 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/02
Posts: 2
If your paranoid that your missing out on something, I suggest trying some CAT-5. There are many recipes out there for this sort of wire (typically using a braided configuration, like Kimber).

It's pretty cheap by the foot and so if you don't like what you make, just throw it out.

If your a computer geek, you may already be blessed with an ample supply of this cable. BTW - if you do try it, I would recommend use of the solid conductor variety, not the stranded sort.

Be very careful about spending serious money on speaker cable! The degree of back and forth argument among 'experts' is rather telling.

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#1435 - 07/10/02 10:42 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire?
danr Offline
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Registered: 06/26/02
Posts: 51
Loc: Oxnard, CA
Check out http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm

Here is a hilarious quote from a section on the link:

"What we do is kind of dirty and stinky," he said. "We say we are starting with a 12 AWG zip cord, and we position a technician behind each speaker to change the cables out." The technicians hold up fancy-looking cables before they disappear behind the speakers. The critics debate the sound characteristics of each wire. "They describe huge changes and they say, 'Oh my God, John, tell me you can hear that difference,'" Mr. Dunlavy said. The trick is the technicians never actually change the cables, he said, adding, "It's the placebo effect."

I think that the changes noted by many people is just a bunch of bull. I have used 16ga Radio Shack zipcord, Monster XP speaker wire, and now 14ga 4-cond cable and have noticed no real differeneces. I have spent a few bucks more on good connectors and heat shrink to make them neater and make connections easier but you shouldn't have to spend much more than $50 on wiring all of your speakers. There is no scientific evidence that more expensive cables actually sound better, or even different for that matter. Anyone who spends >$100 per foot of speaker cable is probably bleeding out the you-know-what because they just got screwed bigtime.

Save your money for better speakers, amps, players, etc because they have a far more dramatic effect on sound than anything.

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#1436 - 07/10/02 10:58 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
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Registered: 05/13/02
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Loc: western canada
Actually i ended up spending about $150 on cables.
But then again, i had to buy about 120 feet of speaker cable, 2 a/v interconnects and 2 composite cables, just for starters. The lengths can really add it up.

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#1437 - 07/10/02 11:38 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
danr Offline
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Registered: 06/26/02
Posts: 51
Loc: Oxnard, CA
That's why I put "...wiring all of your speakers." Interconnects and video cables can sometimes double what you spend on speaker cable if you buy them. I like to make my own interconnects. The cost is less than half per foot and you don't use any more than you actually need which can cut costs even more. I can make a very nice 1m pair of dual-shielded analog audio interconnects with Neutrik gold-plated connectors for about $7. Acoustic Research 1m pair is about $12. Since I only need about 1/2m, maybe a tad more, I can make the pair for about $5-$6. I think all my A/V cables (2 audio pairs and 3 composite video) cost me about $25, $30 tops, to make.

Compare that to about $50 for the AR cables at a local store in my town. Hey, I just saved myself enough to buy a new CD. Sure it took a bit more time to assemble and solder the cables but that's the fun part. As for the sound difference, I notice none whatsoever.

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#1438 - 07/11/02 09:29 AM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
I hopped onto ebay myself. I ended up getting some AR and Ultralink interconnects for less than $15 for the pairs. Two pairs i actually picked up for around $6 and $8 (1m lengths).
There are definitely several ways to get/make good cables cheaply.
I just got lazy after soldering 24 banana plugs.
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#1439 - 07/11/02 06:52 PM Re: Alan, Can you give any insight on speaker wire
Randyman Offline
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Registered: 03/29/02
Posts: 184
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Chess...

Soldering?
You been soldering???? (heh heh)

So now you are ao old pro at it!!
(lead free - of course!)

Randyman

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