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#143434 - 07/13/06 04:03 PM Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms.
fraink Offline
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Registered: 07/01/06
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I currently have the following:

HK AVR 300
M60's
VP150
Qs8's

I'm looking at the Outlaw 7500 and was curious of opinions if there's any combinations out there that people have researched and wanted to share. Should I not even focus on sending any more power to the rears and focus on a 2 or 3 channel amp? I watch a lot of concert dvd's and movies most of the time and occasionally listen to music. Room size 24 x 14.

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#143435 - 07/13/06 07:10 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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What is wrong with the HK? HK rates their AVR's very conservatively and are a high current design. The Axiom speakers are very efficient and easy to drive. I would think that HK would give you all the volume you would need?

You could by some Outlaw monoblocks to drive just the 60's and let the HK continue to drive the rest of the speakers..

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#143436 - 07/13/06 07:40 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: SirQuack]
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Nothing wrong with the AVR 300 other than DTS complaints. Volume wise, yes it does give the volume I need, not necessarily want But depending on the source I have reached max volume while listening. But when nearing max volume my concern is damage to the speakers (Not sure how justifiable that is). It sounds like one vote for don't waste the money. Thanks for the response.

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#143437 - 07/13/06 08:10 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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Sounds like maybe something isn't hooked up right or Calibrated right or set right in the menu's somewhere ?
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#143438 - 07/13/06 09:06 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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I would go the other way and say give the Outlaw or other amps a try. The H/K is only 50 watts per channel, that imo is not enough if you like to listen at high levels. Secrets of Amplifier and Speaker Power Requirements Revealed

You could go with three mono blocks in the front or look for a 3 channel amp.
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#143439 - 07/13/06 09:57 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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Another idea would be to buy a new receiver that outputs 110-125wpc, that would give you more power and be much cheaper than a 5 channel amp.
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#143440 - 07/13/06 10:15 PM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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Fraink, welcome. It's unclear what you mean by the "DTS" complaints. If this is something that can be solved without getting a new receiver, it's unlikely that the "more power" desire is a realistic need. Studies show that far less power is used than is sometimes imagined and keep in mind that you're not actually "sending" more power to the speakers when you buy an amp with a higher maximum output. The speakers use only as much as is needed and the rest is unused excess capacity.
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#143441 - 07/14/06 12:02 AM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: JohnK]
fraink Offline
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Registered: 07/01/06
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Thanks for the welcome John, and the link wid.

I can see why the DTS comment was confusing, as I was just pointing out something reviewers called out as an issue with their HK 300. I haven't experienced it, and sorry for the confusion.

I don't hear any distortion at high volumes. So now I have the feeling that buying an amp will be 90% placebo effect due to money spent on it. After listening to a NIN DVD and reading through the comments/Alan's article, I've concluded to just save the money and if need be, buy a better receiver down the road.

Thanks for the feedback everyone, my wallet thanks you. I'm going to go punch the guys who keep telling me "It's only money, go buy it!"

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#143442 - 07/14/06 12:09 AM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: fraink]
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You could always spend the money on acoustic room treatments.
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#143443 - 07/14/06 11:18 AM Re: Best bang for the buck amp/wattage to push Axioms. [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 05/17/06
Posts: 28
Randy,

I have to kindly disagree with you on this one. I too once thought receivers were the be all end all in sound reproduction and that seperates were a waste of money. All until I got to hear my gear through some "seperates" equipment (Pre/Pro and AMP). It's not just watts that matter...it's the voltage gain which produces a lower noise floor and allows better dynamics at both quiet and loud moments in a movie or music track. The end result is a smoother cleaner and more clear sound. I did a blind A/B test using the receiver and then switching to the pre/pro (without knowing which was which) and picked the seperates every time. I used 6 different movies which varied in quality. I had the store rep load each one and not tell me which was active. To my ear there was a very clear difference. Again, this is my ear and my equipment.

I personally am going to buy Outlaw gear as it really gives you the best bang for the buck.

This is all in the ear of the beholder of course....what is nice about Outlaw is you can preview their gear for 30 days and see if you like the sound of it in your room. Let your ears and wallet be the judge.

Good luck!
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