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#148755 - 10/04/06 09:59 PM Speaker wire lengths
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I'm going to bi-wire my m80's should the wires all be of uniform length. One side could be much shorter but should I crop all wires to the same length and coil the excess? Think I read sometime ago fronts should be same length and rears the same as well. Is this just bunk or is there merit to the notion? Thanks Again for input.
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#148756 - 10/04/06 10:14 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Shaken]
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I have always cut my wires to the length needed to comfortably reach the speakers with a little slack to boot. They are all differing lengths, and I have never had a problem or noticed any difference in the sound of the speakers. YMMV.
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#148757 - 10/04/06 10:21 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Shaken]
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The speed of light is pretty remarkably fast. You won't notice a difference over 1 foot, 10 feet, or 50 feet. You should also read this article before spending all that dough on biwiring. Or expensive cabling. BTW, this article doesn't just apply to Ultralink In Wall cabling...
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#148758 - 10/04/06 10:39 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Shaken]
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Shake, welcome. Both biwiring and taking special pains to make speaker wires equal in length are bunk. The electromagnetic wave traveling down the outside of the wire which carries the power to the speaker travels at nearly the speed of light and it would take a difference of many miles for there to be an audible timing variance between the speakers. For a good summary by a veteran audio professional on speaker wire in general and a table of suggested lengths and gauges see this .
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#148759 - 10/04/06 10:43 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: JohnK]
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Darn, John beat me to the punch.

I would really like to understand why you think you need to worry about biwiring anyway?
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#148760 - 10/05/06 01:03 AM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: SirQuack]
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Thanks folks. Why Bi-wire? Simple I have 7.1 capability and only 5.1 at the moment so I just wanted to play. Reciever manual talks about how to bi-wire so why not?
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#148761 - 10/05/06 01:14 AM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Shaken]
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Ah. That's bi-amping. Which is a slightly different beast, but still not particularly useful.
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#148762 - 10/05/06 07:32 AM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Ken.C]
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It not even true bi amping, there will be no gain in sound and or performance with such a set up.
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#148763 - 10/05/06 07:27 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: Shaken]
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What does 5.1 or 7.1 surround have to do with bi-wiring, I think your confused on what bi-wiring and/or bi-amping is all about.

This is a good introduction by Alan from Axiom. If you read the entire article you will see that some 12 gauge wire by itself will do just fine. It appears that lab tests have also shown very little difference if any.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/tips_biwiring_and_biamping.html
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#148764 - 10/05/06 07:35 PM Re: Speaker wire lengths [Re: SirQuack]
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Denons have the ability to use the unused surround amps to do biamping to the front channels.
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