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#149423 - 12/07/06 10:13 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: spiffnme]
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Hey man, if you need to buy a Mac and have two computers at your desk, then so be it!
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#149424 - 12/07/06 10:15 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: pmbuko]
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So they actually told you that their product was substantially inferior to Final Cut Pro for your application? That's hilarious.
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#149425 - 12/07/06 12:19 PM Re: HD/DVD [Re: jimmienorton]
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Jimmy,

I still don't quite get how you are getting true Dolby? Everything that I've read says it's only available via HDMI 1.2 which very few AVR's have or, six channel analogue. And if you run it through analogue, you only get 5.1. At least that's my understanding of it, and I don't understand much. So far just about every HD disk I have has played in DTS and I haven't noticed any improvements. I'd like to do whatever it is you are to get better sound.....is it a Denon Link thing?
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#149426 - 12/07/06 12:27 PM Re: HD/DVD [Re: michael_d]
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I finally got around to watching the HD version of Mutiny on the Bounty last night. What a good movie! I really enjoyed it and seeing Marlon Brando skinny was quite a shock to me. This is the first time I've ever been able to sit through this movie as it was always on TV and barley viewable to me. In HD it's not on par with the new HD DVD's, but the video is very good. They didn't do much with the sound though. There's no LFE track that I could detect, and I'm not real sure what in the heck was going on, but every now and then, I'd get a 'pop' or other weird noise from one of the speakers. Not often enough to stop the movie, but enough to get irritating. I though my battery was going dead in my smoke detector so I changed it out. Well it wasn't the smoke detector.....
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#149427 - 12/07/06 04:25 PM Re: HD/DVD [Re: BrenR]
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Quote:

Most people don't notice quality. That's why country albums sell.

Bren R.




I've talked to a few people about this. One of my friends is the type who "buys the best because it's the best." He admits that he couldn't tell the difference between his 2-year old plasma and the brand new one but some magazine or other he reads said it's the best so there it is. He further says he doesn't have the time to research these things and simply relies on buying "the best" as far as people who run in his circles and such are concerned. Others may instinctively know a display has higher picture quality but not register is in a fully cognitive way. A friend of my wife came by last night and after watching the new TV for almost an hour said "you know, it seems like I'm seeing a lot more stuff on this TV than maybe I usually do. Everybody's complexions look so poor and scraggly." Well put, I must say. But that is her reference point when comparing her normal experience on her SD set HD on my new set.

I guess your statement is true, in general as well as specifically but with the caveat that most people out there DO know quality when it comes to one specific item or area. For example, when asked I could tell you exactly why IBM servers are of higher quality than Dell. Or I could tell you why Bose surround systems are just about the worst value on the market. Or which Vietnamese restaurant to go to in PDX. But there are are plenty of areas where I am clueless. But I like to try to FIND quality through research and empirical data when personal reference lacks.

As far as the Country music quip, well, it's also the reason Applebee's does such great business.
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#149428 - 12/08/06 02:34 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: michael_d]
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If you are going thru HDMI(1.1) this is how you get Dolby TrueHD - The XA1 or A1 will decode the TrueHD for you to PCM then sent to Denon 4306. You do not need HDMI 1.2a,1.3 on your AVR to get DD THD the player is the decoder.I think I said that right.


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#149429 - 12/08/06 02:53 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: jimmienorton]
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Registered: 05/24/04
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If you are going thru HDMI(1.1) this is how you get Dolby TrueHD - The XA1 or A1 will decode the TrueHD for you to PCM then sent to Denon 4306. You do not need HDMI 1.2a,1.3 on your AVR to get DD THD the player is the decoder.I think I said that right.




That is how I understand it as well. I just couldn't explain it...damn technology.
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#149430 - 12/08/06 10:43 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: jimmienorton]
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Quote:

If you are going thru HDMI(1.1) this is how you get Dolby TrueHD - The XA1 or A1 will decode the TrueHD for you to PCM then sent to Denon 4306. You do not need HDMI 1.2a,1.3 on your AVR to get DD THD the player is the decoder.I think I said that right.




Will you do me a favor and pull up the X1's audio options and let me know how you have it set up? IE: bit stream / PCM / auto and all that. I don't remember all the options, but you'll see them when you pull up the menu.

I have both Coax and hdmi into my AVR and when I swap between the two, Coax sounds much, much better than hdmi. I have the avr's surround set up set to Global, so whatever the difference in sound I'm experiencing is from the X1's set up and not my avr settings.

Also, did you run the latest firmware upgrade for the X1? I'm still waiting for the disk to show up. I heard that this upgrade does something with audio.
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#149431 - 12/08/06 01:23 PM Re: HD/DVD [Re: michael_d]
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Geektastic.
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#149432 - 12/09/06 02:28 AM Re: HD/DVD [Re: michael_d]
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Oh, you dont have the new firmware.Thats your problem,the new FW enables D True HD. When you get your disk set HDMI audio out for PCM and thats all folks. You will think you have hit the lottery! Why not just DL online?
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