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#150661 - 11/02/06 12:07 PM M50s with 5.25" woofer?
Hutzal Offline
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Registered: 07/26/06
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Just wondering if Axiom has a model of tower speaker with a 5.25" woofer, 6.5" woofer and 1" tweeter in the plans?

Wouldn't this technically make it have the same sonic properties as the M80s if it has the 5.25" woofer in addition to a 6.5" woofer?

I did notice that the M50s, M60s and M80s have Dual 6.5" woofers, so do Axiom floor standers require Dual 6.5" woofers to be a decent floor standing speaker?


Edited by Hutzal (11/02/06 12:29 PM)
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#150662 - 11/02/06 12:38 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: Hutzal]
Ken.C Offline
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Done
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death.

It's a popular concept around here, but Ian doesn't seem to be taking people's suggestions.
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#150663 - 11/02/06 01:18 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: Ken.C]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Loc: Tacoma
It's fun to speculate, but I have absolute faith that - if such a design made sense sonically and financially - we'd have it already.

Axiom is an R&D company. Ian has been a successful professional speaker designer for decades. I'm going to trust him to design his products and run his company while I continue to enjoy listening to my M60's.
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#150664 - 11/02/06 01:28 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: Hutzal]
alan Offline
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Hutzal,

Your first suggestion already exists--it's the M60, except it has two 6.5-inch woofers. The 5.25-inch driver is a woofer/midrange unit, covering upper bass from 200 Hz up to a good chunk of the midrange. At 2 kHz, the 5.25 crosses over to the tweeter.

Using dual 6.5-inch woofers below 200 Hz enables more powerful bass output, and deeper bass as well as better power handling. The two woofers are roughly equivalent to a single 12-inch woofer in an enclosure of similar volume, but using two smaller enable much better control ("tighter") than would be the case using a large-diameter woofer. You can also make the enclosure narrower and less overwhelming.
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#150665 - 11/02/06 02:27 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: alan]
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
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Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
Quote:

The two woofers are roughly equivalent to a single 12-inch woofer in an enclosure of similar volume, but using two smaller enable much better control ("tighter") than would be the case using a large-diameter woofer.


I'll be bookmarking this one for my "of two drivers of identical materials, a larger one will move more air, go deeper, yet a smaller one will sound tighter and react more efficiently to source material" aka the "farty bass" conversation.

Bren R.

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#150666 - 11/02/06 04:00 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: BrenR]
Hutzal Offline
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I was suggesting (like others have before I guess) that replacing one of the 6.5" woofers in the M50 would yield a cheaper foor standing model with decent bass (enough for a 2 channel system) and containing the sonic properties of a 3-way Axiom Tower.

So it would be a 1" Tweeter, 5.25" woofer, 6.5" woofer for a cheaper version of the M60. Doesn't play as loud, but sounds the same.

You guys must have done experiments with this setup?
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#150667 - 11/02/06 04:32 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: Hutzal]
JasonEuc Offline
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Registered: 05/29/06
Posts: 30
Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
As an M50 owner, I must say:

"Leave the 50's alone!"

I love 'em just as they are...

I bet such a 3-way speaker would be more expensive than the M50's, since the cost difference of a 5.25" driver vs. the 6.5" driver must now include a more complicated crossover design.
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#150668 - 11/02/06 05:07 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: BrenR]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Quote:

I'll be bookmarking this one for my "of two drivers of identical materials, a larger one will move more air, go deeper, yet a smaller one will sound tighter and react more efficiently to source material" aka the "farty bass" conversation.






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#150669 - 11/02/06 06:07 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: Wid]
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
Quote:

:D


Can anyone tell by my post count that it was a slow day at work?

So this is how Peter feels.

Bren R.


Edited by BrenR (11/02/06 06:08 PM)

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#150670 - 11/02/06 10:29 PM Re: M50s with 5.25" woofer? [Re: BrenR]
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I used to resemble that remark. You'll notice that, oh, about June -- coinciding with my job transfer -- the rate of my posting decreased significantly. I pretty much only have time for snarks now.
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