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#152242 - 11/29/06 07:25 PM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: tomtuttle]
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2842
Loc: Rochester, NY
I had the opportunity to do a blind test of what turned out to be the EP500 vs. the SVS PB 12 Ultra last year at Craigsub's.

There were 5 of us and we didn't know what we were hearing. Craig did some tunig and put a hump in via computer, so while we thought we were hearing 4 subs, it really turned out being 2 subs, but with different characteristics.

Each of us filled out a detailed assesssment after each of the 4 sessions.

The verdict - to everyone's ears the EP 500 was clearly the winner. It wasn't close. From a bang for the buck perspective, the EP500 is unbelieveabe.

Add whatever you need to your budget and get the EP500; you will NOT be disappointed.

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#152243 - 11/29/06 11:01 PM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: Ray3]
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Seeing that the PB 12 Ultra is like $1,300, would it then be safe to say that The EP500 is in an entirely different league that subs such as the STF-3 and the SVS PCi's?

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I had the opportunity to do a blind test of what turned out to be the EP500 vs. the SVS PB 12 Ultra last year at Craigsub's.

There were 5 of us and we didn't know what we were hearing. Craig did some tunig and put a hump in via computer, so while we thought we were hearing 4 subs, it really turned out being 2 subs, but with different characteristics.

Each of us filled out a detailed assesssment after each of the 4 sessions.

The verdict - to everyone's ears the EP 500 was clearly the winner. It wasn't close. From a bang for the buck perspective, the EP500 is unbelieveabe.

Add whatever you need to your budget and get the EP500; you will NOT be disappointed.



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#152244 - 11/29/06 11:10 PM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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quite safe, yes.
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#152245 - 11/30/06 01:49 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: pmbuko]
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Registered: 08/30/06
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Loc: St. Albert, AB
I haven't heard the EP500 yet, but it should be here in about 3 weeks. I've read its nothing short of amazing and I don't expect to be disappointed in any way (especially in my current small room ). I've had some trouble with my EP350's stand-by circuit, so long story short, I'm upgrading and removing the mute circuit in the EP500 before it leaves the factory. I'll get to see first hand the difference between these two subs, and hopefully I'll hear (and feel) the $600 price difference.
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#152246 - 11/30/06 04:10 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: JasonB]
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Jason, please post your finding as I am debating on the sub/M60 upgrade as well.
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#152247 - 11/30/06 10:32 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: jakewash]
Ray3 Offline
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Pete - absolutely a step up.

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#152248 - 11/30/06 10:39 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: jakewash]
JasonB Offline
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Registered: 08/30/06
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Loc: St. Albert, AB
No problem Jakewash. Is there anything in particular you are interested in hearing about (how low, how loud, how fast, etc.)? Let me know and I'll see what I can do.

There's one song I can't wait to hear when I get it. Michael Buble's "Home" has some REAL deep string bass in it that I've never even heard before. I'm thinking that my EP350 can't quite get it all out, so I'll see if the 500 can pound it out . It shocked me the first time I heard it. I've found the whole CD is one of the best ones I've listened to since I got my setup.
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#152249 - 11/30/06 10:41 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: Ray3]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Thanks for the continued advice and help. I really appreciate it from everyone!

Ok, so I understand that the EP500 is *better* than the SVS PCi line. But can anyone describe how it is better? I mean, is it just more bass? I can tell from the charts that the EP500 has an incredibly flat response from 20-100hz, so is that smoothness a measure of 'better'? My existing sub already puts out a great deal of LFE, enough to rattle my wife's china, but it's not all that detailed and musical. So absolute power is not really an issue. It's that detail, smoothness, and additional musical ability that I'm specifically interested in. Especially since I'm probably keeping the m22's as my mains, I need something that complements them well.

JasonB, I'm interested in your experiences as you have the m22's and an EP350 and are moving to an EP500. You're a step ahead of me, so to speak.

The budget started at roughly $1k, but if a significant improvement can be had for $500 more (SVS + QS4 vs. EP500 + QS4), than I suspect that Santa can deliver. Heck, my wife is telling me that I should just forgoe the usual jewelry and get her a pair of M80's.


Edited by PeterChenoweth (11/30/06 10:58 AM)
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#152250 - 11/30/06 11:00 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2102
Loc: Hollywood. (Canadian @ <3)
Peter,

The EP500 would compare to the PC Ultra if anything from the PC line from SVS.

So don't even consider the PCi line when comparing to the EP500, if you want a fare comparison, check out the PC Ultra.
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#152251 - 11/30/06 11:07 AM Re: Replace old sub or upgrade from M22's to M60/M [Re: Hutzal]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Agreed, price-wise the Ultra is the closest comparison. But why is the EP500 so much better than anything in the PCi line?

I mean, a PCi 20-39 is half the cost of an EP500, is the EP500 worth twice the cost and what is it about the EP500 (or the SVS Ultra) that makes them that much better?

Comparing the M60 to the M80, I understand why the M80 is more expensive. Likewise, I understand why the M22's are more expensive than the M2's, etc. I just don't have a lot of experience with the differences in subs, since I only have ever owned the one.

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Peter,

The EP500 would compare to the PC Ultra if anything from the PC line from SVS.

So don't even consider the PCi line when comparing to the EP500, if you want a fare comparison, check out the PC Ultra.





Edited by PeterChenoweth (11/30/06 11:33 AM)
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