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#161461 - 03/14/07 04:54 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: chesseroo]
Ken.C Offline
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17782
Loc: NoVA
Hey Shawn, you got any of that popcorn left?
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#161462 - 03/14/07 04:56 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: thyname]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
thyname,
I had an awful analog cable connection which cleared up nicely after turning on my vcr. Something in the vcr unit really helped clarify the video signal. If i had any thoughts about buying a line conditioner years ago, that is likely what i would have been looking for.
I've read the odd similar report about sound clarification but coming from cable feeds as you describe. This seems to be rare. I would start by complaining to the service provider, not that they ever do much of anything and tend to blame the results on the x number of other electronics you have in your house or area.
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#161463 - 03/14/07 04:57 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: Ken.C]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Quote:

Hey Shawn, you got any of that popcorn left?




Ken, i have the butter and the pot for you to stir it all in.
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#161464 - 03/14/07 05:12 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: chesseroo]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 3292
My meter is a Galaxy Audio CM-130 (no Radio Shacks where I live) which can be found at this link web page. Although the specification says 8 KHz max, I have "tested" up to 20 KHz with a test CD with no loss in performance.

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#161465 - 03/14/07 05:23 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: Mojo]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
If your computer speakers are of REALLY good quality, you can use test tone generators to figure out its limits.
I have not actually tested my Radio Shack meter yet to see what it does at higher frequencies though i imagine this has been posted all over the web by now somewhere.
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#161466 - 03/14/07 05:32 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Oh Oh! I must've struck a nerve. Truth'll do that.
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#161467 - 03/14/07 06:15 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: Ajax]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Quote:

Truth'll do that



Actually it was your general ignorance. But hey, don't let me knock you off your holy pedestal. Last time i told you how to say something you freaked out.
I'm not one to point out hypocrisy but at least i don't forget it.
Preach away!
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#161468 - 03/14/07 07:35 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: chesseroo]
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
LOL! Ignorance of what, exactly? All I did in my initial post was point out facts. It is a fact that there were two posts that said basically the same thing. It is a fact that only one of them referred to others and/or their posts with pejorative terms like "ridiculous," "amateurish," and "nonsense." I suppose one could argue that the contrast between those two posts isn't interesting, but I found it so, and am free to say so. The fact that you feel it necessary to refer to statements of fact as "preaching" and respond with insults and condescension rather than facts belies your avowed commitment to accuracy. Pity. You have so much to offer.

I would refer you to a post by another forum member made nearly 3 years ago. Regrettably, it appears little has changed in all that time.

"Chess, I completely agree with you. It's frightening how little the general population knows about science and how it works. The fact is, no matter how much anecdotal or personal evidence you have in support of audio phenomenon X (be it break-in, differences btw. cables, SS amplifiers sounding different, etc.), you cannot trust it until it's been tested in a controlled environment. This is a basic tenet of science. Even scientists have personal biases. This is precisely why double-blind tests are so often used.

Now, cheese-toast (please forgive me ), being the most vocal (and likely the most qualified -- especially after sushi's departure) representative of the scientific community on this board, your responsibility is greater than you might imagine. To many here, you are the only real-world scientist they've ever had a conversation with. That role comes with a great burden, of which I'm sure you're aware.

Stomping all over someone's current belief system is no way to show them the error of their ways. I admire you for holding the torch of logic, methodology, and reason, but try to keep it held high. It's very tempting to swing it around and fling embers about, but burned people hold grudges.
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#161469 - 03/14/07 08:05 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: Ajax]
zhimbo Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 138
Loc: Hanover, New Hampshire
As I step out of lurk-mode, Jack, let me thank you for sharing that post. I participate in lots of discussion boards where such a post is relevant.

Indeed, it may be relevant to nearly ALL discussion boards.

It *IS* awfully tempting to swing that torch around sometimes.

-Jim

P.S. Back to lurking...

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#161470 - 03/14/07 08:24 PM Re: A/C Line Conditioner [Re: chesseroo]
thyname Offline
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Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 552
Loc: Oakton, VA
I did complain to the cable provider, and they only offered to change the box, I did (I had to drive all the way there) and no changes. Needless to say, I localized the hum coming from the cable box, through the TV set. I even posted it here with many good suggestions. I felt good I could solve the problem with what I had at that time (PF60) rather than buying something else, by simply running the cable through PF60 - and I mean the coaxial cable, NOT the power cord.

One more thing: I moved to my new condo last August, and took the cable box with me. I run directly to the TV, without any hookup to PF60, and guess what?! No hum!! I guess it was comething with cable wiring at that old building.
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