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#165098 - 05/17/07 05:06 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Hutzal]
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Not true. Some nerds are quite happy hitting that bang-for-the-buck sweet spot.
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#165099 - 05/17/07 05:08 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: pmbuko]
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Heh, the chances of my boss letting me get the amp is slim to none. But one can dream...
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#165100 - 05/17/07 07:29 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Hutzal]
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You need a new boss .

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#165101 - 05/17/07 08:51 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Mojo]
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The Boss would have to be pretty kind, Audioholics reported the amp to be in the $3500.00 to $4000.00 dollar price range.
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#165102 - 05/17/07 08:57 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: HomeDad]
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I have wondered why Axioms price point has been set so high when Alan has said repeatedly that in double blind test he couldn't hear a difference in various amps. Seeing how all amps sound the same it seems to be a waste of money. How is the nay Sayers going to justify recommending such a high price amp?
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#165103 - 05/17/07 09:33 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Wid]
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Because what sets this amp apart from conventional designs is its efficiency of power delivery to 8 channels (or any number of channels up to 8). The higher price it may have would mostly likely be due to the technology involved to achieve that efficiency, not because of any claims (that I've read to date) of superior sound quality. (IMO, of course )
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#165104 - 05/17/07 09:44 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Wid]
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I have wondered why Axioms price point has been set so high when Alan has said repeatedly that in double blind test he couldn't hear a difference in various amps. Seeing how all amps sound the same it seems to be a waste of money. How is the nay Sayers going to justify recommending such a high price amp?



A) Because of the R&D costs of making a digital amp unlike any other on the market.
B) Because people will pay that price to buy a digital amp unlike any other on the market.

Wid, just because Axiom sells speakers that are great quality and relatively inexpensive compared to many others does not automatically mean they will do that for every single product through their entire future as a company. They are out trying to make money just as much as any other business. Heck, we all know we can find speaker wire for as cheap as 20 cents a foot so one could just as easily ask why the Axiom version costs near $1.
Perhaps into the future they will come out with slightly lesser powered amp versions to fit into the more typical Axiom-quality-inexpensive price role that some believe Axiom should adhere to at all times.
Or maybe people will go buy Anthem amps at 225w/ch for $600 used like i did.
Just a thought.
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#165105 - 05/17/07 09:44 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Spoiler]
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But the question still remains, how will it do in double blind listening test. No matter how the power is achieved it is about the sound..............no?
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#165106 - 05/17/07 09:51 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: chesseroo]
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Chess, I know that a good portion of the price is to recover some of the R&D money, that's no secret. I bring this point up mainly because of the amount of times I have read that all amps sound the same if they have been of proper design. Like the post you just made in another thread. How can a person justify recommending this 4K amp if this is what they believe to be true?
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#165107 - 05/17/07 09:52 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Wid]
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But the question still remains, how will it do in double blind listening test. No matter how the power is achieved it is about the sound..............no?



I have no doubt that the folks at Axiom will be listening to this amp vs. all they have in stock which includes their Brystons, Yamahas, and of course Sherwood Newcastle units.
I only hope i get the chance to head back to the Factory to hear the same at some point. We were planning another spa trip to the area this year but alas, we're heading to Halifax instead.

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How can a person justify recommending this 4K amp if this is what they believe to be true?



I can't say what Alan's motives may be but after all, he does work for Axiom.
If people believe in separates, different amps, etc. and their sonic abilities, who is anyone to say Axiom cannot cater to that crowd?
Some believers will always be believers, hard core one way or the other. A business is still a business and Axiom can provide products for every customer that wants more or bigger.
Look at the new wood covered speakers. I recall many years back someone stating they would probably not add wood finishes because of the cost. They had customers willing to pay more. Now they have two flavours for both sizes of pocket books.
It just makes good business sense.



Edited by chesseroo (05/17/07 10:00 PM)
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