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#165128 - 05/19/07 02:39 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: Ian]
Wid Offline
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Thanks for the reply Ian. Your views seem to fall in line with what I believe.
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#165129 - 05/19/07 04:30 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: SirQuack]
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This thread has gotta be buggin' the "all amps sound the same" guys........I predict even more back-pedaling than there's been, to follow
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#165130 - 05/19/07 04:37 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: LT61]
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I don't know. It still sounds like they have their point.

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#165131 - 05/19/07 05:23 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: LT61]
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This thread has gotta be buggin' the "all amps sound the same" guys........I predict even more back-pedaling than there's been, to follow



What back peddling?
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#165132 - 05/19/07 08:22 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: LT61]
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I predict even more back-pedaling than there's been, to follow




????

Alan Lofft's statements in this thread seem to me to be the authoritative word, and that conforms to what I understand to be the "all amps sound the same" story. There are various over-simplified and/or exagerrated strawman versions of that floating around (such as, "all amps sound the same") that no one seriously believes that have been refuted anyway, but that's clarification, not back-pedaling.

I'll take Axiom's own word on this issue myself. Seems a good place to start.

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#165133 - 05/19/07 11:03 PM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: zhimbo]
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Regardless of whether the person making a statement about alleged sound qualities of an electronic component is a friend or respected person, if it resulted from casual listening it can't be given much weight in comparison to well-established audio principles and negative blind testing results. Dr. Toole, in a talk to a AES meeting a few years ago on double-blind testing, emphasized the point with a little intentional hyperbole by stating "If you can see what you're listening to, you can't hear it!". The principle stated, for example by Mr. Aczel in the article linked above, hasn't been repealed. There are no miracles in audio.
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#165134 - 05/20/07 12:24 AM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: JohnK]
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Exactly why I close my eyes.
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#165135 - 05/20/07 12:44 AM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: JohnK]
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I'm finally reading through issues of The Audio Critic. It's pretty cool stuff, even if most of it is beyond my feeble grasp of the hobby. I'd like to hear the speakers they consider the current epitome of accurate reproduction.

Has anyone rented Honeymoon Cottage? It seems like it would be fun to check out.

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#165136 - 05/20/07 10:59 AM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: JohnK]
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Ajax said:

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Personally, I'll wait for the results of some double blind testing, and I'll prefer to trust those results rather than sighted, andecotal testimony. YMMV




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JohnK said:

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Regardless of whether the person making a statement about alleged sound qualities of an electronic component is a friend or respected person, if it resulted from casual listening it can't be given much weight in comparison to well-established audio principles and negative blind testing results.




Absolutely. It is nothing personal though many take it personally like their audio was their first born. Perhaps for some audio is a first born (certainly cost as much) but damn, i can't imagine the wife having to give birth to a sharp edged EP600...

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There are no miracles in audio.



Well if Axiom were to have a sale on the new amp at ten bucks, i would consider that a miracle. In foresight i don't think it will happen so i guess yes, i would have to agree there are not likely to be any miracles in audio anytime soon.

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#165137 - 05/20/07 11:19 AM Re: Release date of the A1400-8 [Re: chesseroo]
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Well if Axiom were to have a sale on the new amp at ten bucks, i would consider that a miracle. In foresight i don't think it will happen so i guess yes, i would have to agree there are not likely to be any miracles in audio anytime soon.




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