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#165225 - 04/13/07 08:33 AM Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350
ejb068 Offline
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 4
I have a question regarding the VP150 centre channel. I currently have a
5.1 system and I'm finding my current centre channel to not be up-to-par
with the rest of the system. I have an older polk audio CS350 centre. The
other speakers are also polk audio from about 12 years ago. I'm not sure if
anyone is familiar with the CS350 but I was wondering if someone could give
me an honest opinion on if the VP150 would be an upgrade. I know Axiom has a 30 day return policy,which makes trying very tempting. The CS350 has
matching tweeters to my other speaker, but I'm not sure how important that
is. The problem I'm having is that although the speaker is spec'ed to go
quite low, the bass and lower mid range (<~300 Hz) is not great. So even
using my EP500 for the bass below 100Hz there is still the low mid range
that makes the voices sound unnatural. The speaker sounds small because it
obviously creates a lot of harmonics at the lower freqs that make the sound
muddy or coloured. The VP150 isn't spec'ed as low as the CS350, but is the
freq response it does provide very clean? I'm not sure if it is important
but I'm driving each channel with Bryston amps.
What do you think? Do you think I'd be getting an upgrade? I don't want to
waste anyone's time or money.

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#165226 - 04/14/07 04:52 AM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
I think the problem might be the Center Channel itself. Possibly a positioning issue. Have you tried it above and below the TV. Swap in one of your other speakers to see if the amp is driving the center the same as the rest.

I would like to think the VP150 would be an upgrade but I have not heard any polks recently. I did hear some when I was researching for my HT system 3-4yrs ago and found the Axioms to be just that much cleaner, more detailed than the Polks.
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#165227 - 04/14/07 10:02 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
JohnK Offline
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Jim, welcome. You're probably not going to find anyone here who's familiar with the CS350, and you'll find quite a few who're well-satisfied with their VP150. Before you make a speaker change you should, as mentioned, experiment with placement if you haven't already done so. Another suggestion, if you're more satisfied with your mains, is to set your receiver to show no center speaker, which will send the center material to the mains to produce a "phantom" center.
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#165228 - 04/15/07 09:25 AM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: JohnK]
ejb068 Offline
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 4
I have ordered the VP150 so we'll see how I like it I'll post my impressions when I get it. I'm most interested in surround music (SACD and DVD-A), so I need a dedicated centre channel. I'm fairly stuck with the placement also, but have it alligned with the tweeters of the mains. If I like the VP150, my next question will be if the M80 will be a good upgrade to my mains. Their much more expensive to return if I don't like them so I'm a bit more hesitent to try. We'll see how it goes with the VP150 first.

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#165229 - 05/19/07 02:51 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
ejb068 Offline
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 4
For anyone interested, I did receive VP150. I had it in my system only an hour before giving up and returninging. No it wasn't that bad, but I was disappointed that it wasn't a real upgrade on my Polk. The muddiness in the lower mid range of my polk was not there on the axiom, but the overall sound lacked something my Polk's had. The highs were not as natural. The return process was easy and the Axiom people are very helpful and friendly.

I did stumble on a local Swan speaker dealer in Tampa (Swan Home Theatre). I read about swans which general got good reviews as did the axioms but I was very excited I could listen before buying. I fell in love with the T700's for my mains. I got the matching center T600c, and returned a couple weeks later to get another pair of T700 for the rears. For the price you can't beat it. The ribbon tweeter has amazing clarity and detail. I'm into music not so much movies. The separation of instruments and detail of cymbals is amazing. If anyone is in the Tampa area I really suggest you check them out. Very friendly and great prices. The only other speakers I'd heard that I liked were in the +$5k range (B&W 800's, Paradigm Sig). The swan T700 were about the same price as the axiom M80's. I haven't heard the Axiom M80's so I can't compare as I didn't want to risk the return shipping. I do perfer the T600c center over the VP150 and my polf CS350. It's not in the same league as the T700's but at a similar price to the VP150 it's a great deal.
If anyone wants more info let me know.

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#165230 - 05/19/07 03:07 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 3292
Hi James,

The important thing is that you found components that you are happy with. I would very much have liked to audition Swans but there are no dealers where I live and I couldn't get anyone to service me over the phone or e-mail. Thanks for the update and enjoy the music!

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#165231 - 05/19/07 04:40 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13318
Loc: Iowa
Sorry you didn't like your VP150. I know this is a stupid question, but did you calibrate your system? Man, when I listen to my music CD's that are done in 5.1 or above my VP150 sounds fabulous. I have a music background and have no complaints, that is for sure.
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#165232 - 05/19/07 05:43 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: SirQuack]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 3292
I second that!

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#165233 - 05/19/07 06:05 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: Mojo]
ejb068 Offline
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 4
I did a level cal and did play around with the x-over points. I have an EP500 which I do like (despite an issue which Axiom is currently helping me solve). To compare the centers I put my processor (Bryston SP2) in mono and listened to some cds using just the one channel. The amp I was using was one channel of my Bryston 6B. I switched back and forth between the Polk and the Axiom, and although they did sound different I'd only give the VP150 the edge by a small amount. If I compare by cost the Polk was $500 over 10 years ago, while the Axiom is only $400 today so that alone is a good deal.
Just wanted to point out the Swan option to those looking in the Axiom price range.

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#165234 - 05/19/07 07:04 PM Re: Axiom VP150 vs Polk CS350 [Re: ejb068]
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13318
Loc: Iowa
It usually takes a little time before your ears/brain get used to new speakers.
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