Get Free, Friendly, Expert Advice
Call 1-866-244-8796 or email

Designed and Manufactured in Canada Since 1980


AxiomAudio Blog

Outdoor Speaker Placement

Speaker Placement: Unusual Room Layouts and Elevating Speakers

Positioning Floorstanding Speakers

Wall'O'Fame
Greetings fellow Axiom owners...
HG Rosewoods Part 3
Who's Online
2 registered (onn, Murph), 129 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Financing
Forum Stats
13295 Members
11 Forums
22826 Topics
403268 Posts

Max Online: 378 @ 02/24/13 04:33 PM
Top Posters
Ken.C 17741
pmbuko 16259
SirQuack 13318
CV 11146
MarkSJohnson 10832
Meanwhile On Facebook

A very fond farewell party last night . . . we miss you Noreen!

Hope everyone's got their summer favourite playlists cued up for the weekend! W...

(y) Love this customer review of the M2s! "the first time listening to my new a...

These LFR1100 speakers in custom Eggshell White are on their way to Taiwan (yes,...

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#16733 - 08/06/03 12:40 PM Speaker Face Off Part II
Zarak Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
We are having round 2 of the speaker face off tonight. This time it is at Mark's place. He has the M22 and the Ascend 340 speakers and is trying to decide which ones to keep. His early findings are similar to what we found when comparing to the 170's in an earlier thread, but we'll see how it goes tonight.

Top
#16734 - 08/06/03 02:05 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
sushi Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 1490
Loc: Dallas, TX
I look forward to the reports!

Top
#16735 - 08/06/03 04:02 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
curtis Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
same here!

Top
#16736 - 08/06/03 04:06 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16259
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
How much do I have to pay you to "fix" the face-off so the M22s come out on top? I've got a lot of money riding on this one and my rent check will bounce if I lose...
_________________________
"I wish I had documented more…" said nobody on their death bed, ever.

Top
#16737 - 08/06/03 04:52 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
Zarak Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
Just buy me a set of M60's

Top
#16738 - 08/06/03 05:12 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
JohnnyCasaba Offline
buff

Registered: 06/25/03
Posts: 50
Note to self, don't use the word metallic.

Top
#16739 - 08/06/03 05:15 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
curtis Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
Actually...I want to know what you guys think of the CMT-340's. Even if you don't like them. Not many people have heard the L/R version. We've already done the M22/CBM-170 thing. Although...different place different equipment now.


Edited by curtis (08/06/03 05:19 PM)

Top
#16740 - 08/06/03 06:30 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
Ken.C Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17741
Loc: NoVA
Oho! You bet Adam, didn't you?
_________________________
I didn't do it, no one saw me, you can't prove anything.

Top
#16741 - 08/06/03 11:15 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
MarkT Offline
old hand

Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 79
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Fresh from 3+ hours of listening/comparing/philosphizing, etc...here goes...

Set up #1 - Pioneer 45TX in stereo mode without the subwoofer off because the sub would not work with the "B" speakers. We alternated listening to the Ascend 340 LR speakers and the Axiom M22s - occasionally listened to the Ascend 170s. Music - classical, Broadway, Dave Matthews.

Classical - Axioms displayed incredible detail and presence with strings, piano, sax, percussion (Sushi - we thought of you!), although if we blasted the sound at times it bordered on too intense for me. Ascends had a fuller sound, with horns especially. They also displayed a large amount of detail, only a bit muted. Both were enjoyable to listen to.

Broadway - score from "Big River", with a good deal of guitar, banjo and base. Axioms - as if the singers were in the room - a more forward sound. Would have liked to have added the sub to give a more full dimensional sound. Ascends - once again fuller, yet a bit more recessed in the singers voices. At higher volumes easier to listen to.

Dave Matthews Band - I don't remember the name of the song because I wasn't too familiar with his music. At times I couldn't tell whether the vocals were coming from the Ascends or the Axioms - however, with the Ascends the instrumentals sounded a bit muddy.

Setup #2 - Movies - Ascend 340 center, Ascend 340 LR fronts, Ascend 170 surrounds and HSU VTF-2. Axioms M22s, VP150, and Ascend 170 surrounds (didn't order the QS8s for testing).

We listened to the opening beach scene in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Much more resonant mids with the Ascends and more power behind the explosions, yet with Axioms more detail with bullets ricocheting off helmets or machinery. Both were enjoyable.

I am learning that I want the best of both worlds - fullness of the Ascends with the detail of the Axioms. My decision will be based on which is more important to me in the long run. I am a 50/50 movies/music person and listen to Broadway, Jazz, cabaret vocals, very occasional classical (although tonight has made me much more curious about that venue) - not any hard rock.

It is really not a question for me of which speaker is better - because I think both are very well built and an incredible value - it is which sound I prefer in the long run, realizing that there will be compromises with each. I can say that I prefer the detail of Axioms for Home Theater, yet some recordings on them sound harsh to me.

I need to decide by this weekend. Will stay in touch about where I end up.

Major thanks to John and Jason for coming down. We would like to find a way to take our listening sessions on the road. It has been a great experience for me because I have met two great people as well as begun to expand my musical horizons.

Also much appreciation to all of you on this board who have helped me along the way.

MarkT







Top
#16742 - 08/06/03 11:29 PM Re: Speaker Face Off Part II
Zarak Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
I agree with most of what was said, except the Dave Matthews part. The song we played was Crash. We played it on the Ascends first and although I have heard the song through car speakers on the radio many times it was the first time hearing it on a "true" stereo/HT system. I felt like I was hearing the song for the first time! There was an extra fullness to the song that I really liked, and with either set of speakers we could hear a lot more detail that I was not used to hearing in that song.

Overall, I agree that both are good speakers, and it mostly comes down to detail vs. fullness. So the question for me is this...what Axiom speaker is fuller then the M22?

We always hear about the M3/M40/M50 being more laid back than the M22/M60. How about fullness? Will the M60's only improve bass performance, or do they add fullness as well? A speaker that could keep the Axiom detail and add the Ascend fullness would be the best of both worlds.

One final note....the listening environment certainly seems to make a difference as well. I just put in Wagner's "Ride of the Valkryies" on my home setup. On the M22's at Marks, it was getting to the borderline of what was considered harsh....on my system here just now(also M22) I did not get the same harshness.


Edited by Zarak (08/06/03 11:41 PM)

Top
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >



Moderator:  alan, Amie, Andrew, axiomadmin, Brent, Debbie, Ian, Jc 

Home  |  Corporate Info  |  Products  |  Message Board  |  FAQs  |  Warranty  |  Site Map  |  Privacy Statement   |  Contact Us

©2014 Colquhoun Audio Laboratories Limited
All Rights Reserved.