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#171319 - 07/01/07 11:04 AM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: Mojo]
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Registered: 06/03/07
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Loc: Ont, Canada
Mojo.. I found the same thing while listening to EC "unplugged" I tried all the different modes on my reciver and found that stero was best! The Eagle's, farewell sacd is only sacd I have as of yet and it just blows me away in multi.. I have no mode choices when using multi but my I see or hear no need for them .. Multi ch from a good sacd recording is just amazing... I have yet to find a regular cd that was bettered by using multi over stero mode.. But I am just new to my M60's and testing them has been a wonderful experience ..

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#171320 - 07/01/07 11:58 AM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: avdude]
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You should get the Eagles: Farewell Tour I DVD. Those guys are consummate artists & performers. Besides, they understand the value of excellent sound quality. Blind-folded, no one would be able to tell that they are not right there in my basement when that DVD is on. It's amazing! It sounds like the SACD is exactly the same SQ.

You need to take a trip back to the factory and listen to a 500 or 600 sub . Take the Hsu with you and see how it compares.

Anyway, gotta go. My 10 year-old just made me breakfast so I better go see what I have to clean up .

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#171321 - 07/01/07 03:32 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: Mojo]
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Yes, my rotel has many modes such as neo6, dts music, etc, etc and thats why I started this thread to see who likes which better. But like you said, diff sound modes sound better with certain songs, not the whole album or all cds which makes it confusing. I do not want to pull out a cd and listen to each mode to see which is best each time I want to listen to music, its gonna be pain in the butt.
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#171322 - 07/01/07 04:27 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: ereed]
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Quote:

I do not want to pull out a cd and listen to each mode to see which is best each time I want to listen to music, its gonna be pain in the butt.




Yes, I remember that life with the gramophone was much easier .

Just don't get as fanatical as Sirquack. He runs a room response curve every time the humidity changes .

Welcome to the world of audio.

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#171323 - 07/01/07 05:16 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: Mojo]
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>Just don't get as fanatical as Sirquack. He runs a room response curve every time the humidity changes

Sure, but he lives in the midwest so that only happens a couple of times a year.

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#171324 - 07/01/07 10:52 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: Mojo]
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Mo, very definitely the closer the miking on a recording, the less ambience that DPLII, Logic 7, Neo:6, etc. have to work with. To a certain extent the "Dimension" adjustment on DPLII(x)Music can compensate for this by sending more ambience(not simply a volume adjustment)to the surrounds and ocasionally I adjust it.

On the "wraparound" effect, are you sure that the "Panorama" setting hasn't been turned on? DPLII is specifically designed to keep front channel material out of the surrounds, but setting "Panorama" defeats this and adds some front channel channel sound to the surrounds for an effect that may be the wraparound that you've described. This is sort of part-way to all-channel stereo, an effect that I don't care for and never use. Otherwise, I've never experienced this.

All in all, of the roughly 1,000 CDs that I have, the number that I've found to sound worse with the various ambience processes is zero.
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#171325 - 07/01/07 11:04 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: JohnK]
Mojo Offline
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Thanks for that answer. I do indeed have Panorama turned on and that could be the culprit. I'll have to experiment with that and the Dimension setting and report back.

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#171326 - 07/01/07 11:07 PM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: bridgman]
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Only a couple? Most people don't realize what real humidity is....
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#171327 - 07/02/07 01:06 AM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: JohnK]
Mojo Offline
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Wow! I put on Clapton: Unplugged, turned the PLIIx Panorama off and wham-o...no more wrap-around effect. But it sounded muddy and not as defined as stereo.

So I kept tweaking. I had Dimension set to 4, I bumped it to 6, and for whatever reason I got deeper bass...slightly deeper than stereo mode and definitely deeper than direct (the 600 was on by the way).

My fronts and center were set within a couple of dB around zero. So I turned down the left & right to -12 and the center to -9.5. I noticed that the bass was now pounding. I turned the sub from -6 down to -12 (the lowest it can go) and it was still too much. I had to dial it down on the back of the 600. Also, the sound-stage was now deeper...not wider but definitely deeper like the experience I reported on Oscar Peterson in Neo. And Clapton sounded too laid back and about 4 feet behind my foundation wall . So I turned the center up to -4.5 and he came forward but in general the soundstage was deep. By deeper, I mean deep behind my fronts. I already had depth between me and the fronts.

Then I switched to stereo and lost quite a bit of the depth behind my fronts and lost the bass but this felt far more rocking than before. I can't say that I liked stereo more than PLIIx. I'd have to say that the choice depends on one's mood.

Then I put on Oscar Peterson. I found with this that I was getting the wrap-around effect again even though I had Panorama off. So I dialed down the surrounds from the +4 for the sides and +8 for the rears to 0 and +2. The wrap-around effect disappeared and I got a nice broad and deep soundstage very similar to the Neo that I reported before.

Then I put track 3 of Dead Can Dance: Into the Labyrinth and I created an instant cathedral. I turned up the volume on the surrounds and the cathedral grew by leaps and bounds.

So after Johnk's suggestion to turn Panorama off, I am now much happier with PLIIx. I don't know if I'll use it on every album but I will definitely try more of it and experiment to better understand it. I love the way these surround modes give depth behind the fronts and expand the soundstage on some recordings.

What does the dimension setting do by the way and why do I end up with more bass when I turn it up? Also, it appears that even though I have my cross-over set to 80Hz, the M80s still put out a lot of bass that ends up cancelling with my 600.

I'd also like to hear from others if they get a deeper soundstage behind their fronts when using these surround modes with their front speakers turned down. I am sure this has a lot to do with placement of the surrounds and room acoustics.

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#171328 - 07/02/07 02:44 AM Re: 2 channel or multichannel which you prefer? [Re: Mojo]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
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I was just tweaking with the Dimension setting. This adjusts the front & rear positioning of the surround field. Higher settings move the surround field to the front and lower settings move it to the rear.

I also listened to Oscar Peterson again, this time at a normal listening level instead of quietly and noticed that the wrap-around effect was still there with PLIIx even with the surrounds dialed down low. There was no wrap-around with Neo at all.

So I've come to the conclusion that if the source contains significant ambience content, use Neo to avoid the wrap-around effect. If there isn't (ie. recorded with a close mic), use PLIIx.

What I don't understand however is why PLIIx and Neo sound nearly identical on track 3 of Into the Labyrinth. There's definitely ambience on that track but somehow it appears to be channeled down the centre of the room rather than to the sides.

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