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#180028 - 10/22/07 09:45 AM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Murph]
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You mean to say you don't have good bass out of the 60s anywhere in your basement? I was just thinking that you may be sitting in a null. Have you tried walking around to experience the nulls and troughs?

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#180029 - 10/22/07 09:46 AM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Murph]
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You mean to say you don't have good bass out of the 60s anywhere in your basement? I was just thinking that you may be sitting in a null. Have you tried walking around to experience the nulls and troughs?

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#180033 - 10/22/07 09:55 AM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Mojo]
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
You mean to say you don't have good bass out of the 60s anywhere in your basement? I was just thinking that you may be sitting in a null. Have you tried walking around to experience the nulls and troughs?


You are very correct Mojo. There is indeed strong bass in parts of the room. For instance, by the time I get strong bass in my sitting location, you wouldn't want to be standing in one of the rear corners because it is too strong there. It is very much dependent on where you are standing and where the sub is.

You can find places in the room where it sounds pretty good and two spots where it's overbearing but unfortunately due to the shape and entrances of the room, the only good place for the couch is about three quarters of the way back and in the middle for left to right. At least it's not dead center.

My sub has been moved to a corner and that has helped quiet a bit from when it was up front between the TV and front speaker. The M60s as fronts are pretty limited to where they are.

I should probably break down and post pictures if only to show the difference between the two rooms.
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#180075 - 10/22/07 03:59 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Murph]
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Pictures would be nice. And sorry about repeating myself. I don't know how that happened.

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#180155 - 10/23/07 09:47 AM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Mojo]
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If you’re going to use twin M22’s as a center in the vertical position, you really need to play with distance between the two. I ran into the same scenario that you described with a somewhat, for lack of a better descriptor, “hollow” center dialogue with them too far apart. With them too close together, they would cancel each other out and have a real narrow sound stage. I tried towing them in, towing them out and found no improvement with either. In my 12’ wide room, I have mine set roughly 30” apart and have no complaints. I did pre-wire for two horizontal centers (one above and one below my screen), and one of these days I plan to buy a couple and give that a try. For the time being, I’m sticking with my twin M22’s for a center. I’ve heard one VP150 and feel the twin M22’s provide a better overall sound than the single VP150.

From the pictures with the two M22’s on either side of the TV, I can guarantee that they are too far apart from my experiments. I’d play with this some more if I were you….. You might just be surprised what you hear.
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#180221 - 10/23/07 04:32 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: michael_d]
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In my case, I really can't get them any closer together (a small price to pay for a 50" screen). I think toeing them in helped a little. But adding the VP100 into the mix made a dramatic improvement, filling in that hollow spot you mentioned. It seems to me that two horizontal 'center' speakers (as opposed to bookshelf speakers) is probably the ideal configuration. You've gotta believe that Axiom put some thought into designing their center speakers for that specific purpose.
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#180225 - 10/23/07 05:02 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Joe_in_SC]
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Registered: 07/26/06
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Mike,

Have you tried an M22 horizontally above your screen, and the other M22 situated horizontally below, but opposite array?
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#180239 - 10/23/07 05:33 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: Hutzal]
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Those are my next test configurations.
I went out and bought a new SPL meter today. I was going to order the one Mojo has but I hate waiting and Active Electronics carried this one. I couldn't see much difference other then about $20 more. So I should now be able to do a little more thorough check of the recent configurations.
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#180241 - 10/23/07 05:35 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: jakewash]
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where'd you get it?
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#180243 - 10/23/07 05:44 PM Re: M22s, VP150, VP100 as centres...oh, and M44s [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Active Electronics
they are up on 32 Ave and 19 st N.E Once I factored in the shipping and misc duty and taxes the cost was only $20 more than the Galaxy Audio one Mojo has from Parts Express.
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