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#182943 - 11/11/07 10:21 AM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: SirQuack]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
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Yeah Randy. I like to keep an open mind about most things. The fact is that I haven't done any critical listening to integrated vs. separates. My opinion at this time is that some separates sound no better than integrated and perhaps some integrated may even sound better than some separates. But even if one sounds better than the other, I am the kind of person who wants to understand why.

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#182944 - 11/11/07 10:44 AM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: JohnK]
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 Originally Posted By: JohnK
An amplifier basically is a power supply section connected to one or more channels of output transistors, which serve as valves to add the required amount of voltage gain(typically about 29db, about a 30-fold increase)from the power supply. The receivers which have a supposed "biamping" feature(among them most or all of the present Denons), apparently as an advertising gimmick, have only one amplifier(one power supply feeding up to seven output channels)and can't "biamplify".


Thought that was how these things worked.....
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#183007 - 11/11/07 02:15 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: michael_d]
Mojo Offline
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Mike,

They have one power supply but multiple amplifiers. A power supply is not the same as an amplifier.

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#183021 - 11/11/07 03:59 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
Oh my, Mojo may soon convert and realize that better equipment (seperates) can sound better than cheap AVR's, they are not all created equal. \:\)


And Monoblocks sound better than seperate multi or 2 channel amplifiers too \:\) complete seperation of the signal in every way possible.
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#183023 - 11/11/07 04:02 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: Haoleb]
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Now that is something I know about now. \:\)
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#183027 - 11/11/07 04:17 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: SirQuack]
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Unless the amp is a 2 channel of mono block design.
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#183033 - 11/11/07 04:45 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: Wid]
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Registered: 10/12/07
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Loc: Frisco, Texas
i just got mine set up and it's working no problems.

3808
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80-500 Axiom in 5:1

Will post pic's later of the new HT/Media Room. Still waiting on Pio 95 BluRay.

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#183039 - 11/11/07 05:44 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: Wid]
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 Originally Posted By: wid

Unless the amp is a 2 channel of mono block design.


Yeah, But you still have everything in one chassis. So really, they are like faux monoblocks.
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#183080 - 11/11/07 08:09 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: Mojo]
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
Mike,

They have one power supply but multiple amplifiers. A power supply is not the same as an amplifier.


I'm sticking with John on this one until I see pictures showing a receiver with mulitple amplifiers. Plus, John reads way too many tech manuals to be this wrong...
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#183097 - 11/11/07 10:15 PM Re: Anyone using the Denon 3808CI and M80&#8217;s [Re: michael_d]
terzaghi Offline
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
6ave shows that my denon 3808 is being shipped (should arrive wednesday according to dhl)

however, my bank does not have a debit for the amount of the receiver yet...? maybe they forgot to charge me. HA \:\)
I imagine it will show up as a debit on the next business day...
kinda weird tho, I bought it on wednesday last week and still no debit...


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