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#192496 - 01/16/08 05:52 AM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: ctown]
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 Originally Posted By: ctown

Its kind of like Jakewash's old sub having to be tolerated because he needed to buy the new LCD TV for his better half. Man, I gotta help him out with capital planning and replacing depreciated assets. \:\)


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#192497 - 01/16/08 05:58 AM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakewash]
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There is one thing I find annoying, here in Alberta anyway, when you really need emergency services - an ambulance, you have to pay for it! This makes no sense to me what so ever, but once you are at the hospital you have no charges at all.

I do remember when this came about(many, many years ago) and the reason why(to cut down on people calling for one due to a slight cut, etc), but it still made no sense to me. I always thought if it wasn't a true emergency, like a cut artery etc., then you get charged, otherwise it should be covered like the rest of the system.
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#192516 - 01/16/08 11:54 AM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakewash]
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You have to pay for it in the US, too. Just wait until the ambulance bill shows up. Or worse yet, the medevac helicopter.
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#192521 - 01/16/08 12:14 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: Ken.C]
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An outcome of our health system is that most Canadians feel its their God given right to not have to pay for anything indirectly related to medical costs. I dunno but having the plan pay for transportation to the facility looks excessive to me. Its demands like that which makes our system onerously expensive and really burdens the budgets of the provincial governments. I'm waiting for further developments in a two-tier universal plan where people who can afford it can pay for different services. For me that is an annoying weakeness of our current system. Ontario appears to be lagging more progressive provinces in this area.
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#192525 - 01/16/08 12:37 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakeman]
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To me it just seems wrong to be charged for a health care expense when you are at your most dire need for it.

I wouldn't mind possibly funding it by a $20 fee every time you go to the doctor on your own or even an increase in our health care premiums we pay here.
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#192530 - 01/16/08 12:49 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakeman]
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It's a really interesting topic and chez Colquhoun we do a fair amount of reading about it. One source I like is the Fraser Institute because it examines Canada against the world, rather than against the US (which is a much more common thing to do in this country). At one point (I believe 2004) we had the second most expensive healthcare system in the world (only Iceland's cost more) but the 32nd most effective in terms of access to care. I don't think the US is measured in that scale, since the Fraser Institute compares countries with socialized medicine against each other.

Just bringing it up because of Jakeman's comments on the cost of the system.
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#192532 - 01/16/08 12:51 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: Amie]
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 Originally Posted By: Amie
It's a really interesting topic and chez Colquhoun we do a fair amount of reading about it. One source I like is the Fraser Institute because it examines Canada against the world, rather than against the US (which is a much more common thing to do in this country). At one point (I believe 2004) we had the second most expensive healthcare system in the world (only Iceland's cost more) but the 32nd most effective in terms of access to care. I don't think the US is measured in that scale, since the Fraser Institute compares countries with socialized medicine against each other.

Just bringing it up because of Jakeman's comments on the cost of the system.


I think you might find the governments of those countries to be more efficient than ours as well \:D
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#192534 - 01/16/08 12:55 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakewash]
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LOL!
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#192556 - 01/16/08 02:49 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: jakeman]
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 Originally Posted By: jakeman
I'm waiting for further developments in a two-tier universal plan where people who can afford it can pay for different services.
That is the slipperiest of slopes... once the chock holding "universal health care" in place is weakened by two-tier, the government (no matter which one) will begin the slide to a US-like system... it'll creep in little by little... nothing big enough at a time to warrant anyone getting too up in arms... 10 years later, everyone looks around and says "oops - how did we get here?"

If you want something to stay the same - keep asking for more, they'll bargain you down to what you have now... if you give an inch, they'll take the proverbial mile.

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#192563 - 01/16/08 03:14 PM Re: Canadian Health Care System [Re: BrenR]
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Registered: 01/23/06
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Loc: Austin, TX
There's the usual slippery slope argument... \:\/

Seriously I think there's definitely a big risk of that happening. Also who gets to determine what's covered by the regular universal health care and what's part of the 2md tier "luxury" treatment? I mean some things are easily a matter of preference and not essential, but I just don't know if I would trust the govt. to decide whether a treatment is too costly to be included in the regular plan.

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