Get Free, Friendly, Expert Advice
Call 1-866-244-8796 or email

Designed and Manufactured in Canada Since 1980


AxiomAudio Blog

Sneak Peek into Axiom’s Current Research and Development

Axiom’s Newest Speaker: The In-Ceiling M3

Outdoor Speaker Placement

Wall'O'Fame
Experimental Atmos
Greetings fellow Axiom owners...
Who's Online
0 registered (), 151 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Financing
Forum Stats
13323 Members
11 Forums
22900 Topics
404649 Posts

Max Online: 378 @ 02/24/13 04:33 PM
Top Posters
Ken.C 17782
pmbuko 16280
SirQuack 13337
CV 11208
MarkSJohnson 10903
Meanwhile On Facebook

󾓶 The first review of the LFR880s is out! "If you are adding or upgrading stere...

So much going on in this month's newsletter - new product announcements, a new v...

Love this comment from Doug T! "The M22 bookshelf speakers sound so clean and a...

Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#201794 - 03/25/08 01:13 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: real80sman]
SirQuack Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13337
Loc: Iowa
Trolls on AVSforum will tell you these things about the vp150 for whatever reason. In fact, they will bash the entire Axiom line calling them harsh, bright, fatiquing. None of these statements are remotely true.

All you have to do is look at the graphs and see they are designed with a FLAT frequency response, and all these statements fall out the window.

Now, the best center is a matching speaker to your left/right mains, however, most people don't want a single m80 standing in front of the screen.

All the professional reviews I've read are positive about the 150's and 100's. I've owned 2 150's and they have been great.
_________________________
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
M22-OWM22-VP100-Denon2805
Audio Nirvana

Top
#201796 - 03/25/08 01:26 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: tomtuttle]
zzyzx Offline
buff

Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 40
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle


Can you point me to the "professional" reviews that cite deficiencies about the VP150?


http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speaker...ions-page2.html

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Axiom makes fine products. As a loyal customer, I'm just fatigued from four malcontents on the internet getting more mileage from their opinions than hundreds (thousands?) of people who are quite happy.


I fully understand that no matter how good the product is, you will ALWAYS get people who have there own agenda and make no sense to the rest of the reviews. In my original post I mentioned that it might be the way the user had calibrated his system to work with the VP150 and that may be the issue. I also said that the rest of the speakers were of no concern. Please understand that I am not currently a owner of Axiom products and have not had the experience with them as you and many others here have had. Listening to speakers are highly subjective as well, maybe to the people have had issues with the VP150, it was just not the sound they wanted from them.

If you are tired of fending off bogus reviews and malcontents as you have stated, it might work to Axioms benefit if you were just to present your positive experience as many other have. I also have not read a BAD review either regarding these speakers, just people preferring one speaker sound to another really. What I'm really trying to do is discount or eliminate any type of negative data no matter how small. If I would have read some professional reviews stating that the VP150 was a must have ,ground breaking,best sounding, ETC.,center channel on the market I probably would not even question the other reviews. As you can see with the M80 & QS8 there is overwhelming information that makes me feel comfortable with purchasing them.





 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle

Again, I do sincerely apologize for my less than friendly tone.


NP, just trying to gather all the data I can, not trying to offend happy Axiom owners.

Top
#201802 - 03/25/08 01:38 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: SirQuack]
zzyzx Offline
buff

Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 40
 Originally Posted By: sirquack
Trolls on AVSforum will tell you these things about the vp150 for whatever reason. In fact, they will bash the entire Axiom line calling them harsh, bright, fatiquing. None of these statements are remotely true.


I have read those as well, but what I get from those reviews is they are looking for less accuracy and more bass?

What I have really latched onto reading all the reviews is that they (M80's) are comparable to the Paradigm 100's or B&W 703's. I like the sound of both those speakers. Those are indeed very fine speakers, but I have a hard time justifying the price when something comparable is considerably less in price with great service.

 Originally Posted By: sirquack

All the professional reviews I've read are positive about the 150's and 100's. I've owned 2 150's and they have been great.


Perhaps I'm just not reading the terminology correctly regarding the VP150

Top
#201804 - 03/25/08 01:41 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: SirQuack]
myrison Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
zzyzx, when I read Tom's comments, they don't seem directed at you, they were expressing general frustration. I realize a lot of forums are filled with people who want to yell at each other, but that's not the case here. In general you'll find this is one of the friendliest forum groups around, so I'm sure we can all get along. \:\)

To the question that came up about professional reviews on the VP150, I read the same review you did on Sound & Vision.

 Quote:
Sound & Vision
The VP150 center channel exhibits significant off-axis lobing that begins as soon as the microphone is moved off center. Our averaging technique tends to obscure it’s severity but it’s easy to hear the sound change quality at any listening angle as one walks about the speaker.
...
Later in the same review
The system's center speaker did a mostly fine job when delivering dialogue. A wide range of voices in 300, from the heavy-handed narration to King Leonidas's barked orders and the superhuman sound of Xerxes's utterances, came across as clear, natural, and unstrained. When I shifted to either side of my couch, however, clarity dropped off noticeably. Voices basically retained the same tone, but they sounded less crisp when heard from any position other than dead center in front of the screen.


I for one agree with this review. I do notice that the sound when right in the sweet spot is fantastic and there is a noticeable difference when moving to the front right or left position. Now, do I think it's "bad" when off-center? No, not at all (and I don't think that's what the review indicates either). It is simply not as good as it is dead center.

I should preface my comments by saying that I do not have a professionally trained listening ear, and I didn't listen to dozens of different speakers before making my purchase. I have to imagine that off-axis sound is always worse regardless of the manufacturer, but I didn't listen to enough other speakers to tell you how much better or worse Axiom is than average.

So, in summary of a long post. The VP-150 sounds tremendous when listening in the sweet spot. It still sounds quite good when listening off-axis, though to me there is a noticeable difference. This does not affect my happiness with the speaker. I would buy it again (and may in fact do so in the future to add a second below my screen at some point in the future) \:\)

Happy shopping! I'm happy to answer more questions if you have them.


Edited by myrison (03/25/08 01:43 PM)
_________________________
Epic 80-800: HG Cherry | HT Pics

Top
#201805 - 03/25/08 01:42 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: zzyzx]
St_PatGuy Offline
axiomite

Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7405
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
zzyzx, have you thought about using a bookshelf speaker as a center channel? I realize this may not be plausible because of size and/or placement issues, but I'm just trying to offer a different angle.
_________________________
***********
"Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Top
#201806 - 03/25/08 01:45 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: zzyzx]
SirQuack Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13337
Loc: Iowa
I just read the entire review you stated above, and I don't see any statements regarding deficiencies in the 150?
_________________________
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
M22-OWM22-VP100-Denon2805
Audio Nirvana

Top
#201807 - 03/25/08 01:47 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: real80sman]
Murph Offline
axiomite

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 6835
Loc: PEI, Canada
I can actually hear dialog now without turning up the volume. My previous center speaker did not accomplish this. It matches my M60s very nicely in sound. My soundstage is just about perfect. Sound comes from everywhere, not just from point left right or center. I don't notice it being bright or producing sibilance unless the sibilance is already in the sound track. When it's there in the recording, I can confirm it's coming from the source as I often play the same music upstairs on my other pair of M60s with no center.

I'm no golden ear for sure but I just don't know what else I could ask this speaker to do?
_________________________
With great power comes Awesome irresponsibility.

Top
#201808 - 03/25/08 01:47 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: SirQuack]
SirQuack Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13337
Loc: Iowa
Where do you live ZZyzx, maybe an audition of the 150 is in order.
_________________________
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
M22-OWM22-VP100-Denon2805
Audio Nirvana

Top
#201810 - 03/25/08 01:49 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: SirQuack]
myrison Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
 Originally Posted By: sirquack
I just read the entire review you stated above, and I don't see any statements regarding deficiencies in the 150?
Randy, was that directed at my post or another one? (mega fast posting here is making it hard to know which posts reference which) \:\)
_________________________
Epic 80-800: HG Cherry | HT Pics

Top
#201812 - 03/25/08 01:52 PM Re: VP150 Concern [Re: myrison]
SirQuack Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13337
Loc: Iowa
no to zz, I just read the review real quick while at work and the only part I noticed was where Ian explained Axiom's theory on the design based on AB blind tests.
_________________________
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
M22-OWM22-VP100-Denon2805
Audio Nirvana

Top
Page 2 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >



Moderator:  alan, Amie, Andrew, axiomadmin, Brent, Debbie, Ian, Jc 

Home  |  Corporate Info  |  Products  |  Message Board  |  FAQs  |  Warranty  |  Site Map  |  Privacy Statement   |  Contact Us

©2014 Colquhoun Audio Laboratories Limited
All Rights Reserved.