I have a friend that has a B&W set-up. That had been my reference for good sounding speakers. But at over $3000, they were out of my price range. I think they have a more mellow sound, more base maybe, but I like the detail of my Axiom setup better, at half the price.

Actually the salesman said that they had stopped selling mirage speakers there. from what he was saying, it sounded like he didnt really like them.

Actually I do not like the people there. I only go there to listen to Dynaudio and Martin Login speakers and Rotel product. Other than that the salepeople are no help.
I find a lot of local shops in Toronto are snobbish for no apparent reason.

yeah I got that impression when I was there. But they do have some nice equipment, and the individual listening room setup is very nice.

spiff,how was the room placement,or the room itself set up when you listened to the 600 line of subs?the reason i ask is because my neighbor has the asw 600 and it sounds really good in his room,both music and movies,and he picked it up for 350 usd,i thought it was a pretty good deal...ron

I wasn't speaking of the B&W subs, it was their 600 series bookshelf speakers that I heard. Very muddy sounding. Not much clarity in the midrange at all.

You should take a look at the Adire Daeva...its a sealed sub using the tempest driver and a 300w class d amp. Its basically a Rava w/ higher output and more extension. It should compare very favorably to the SVS and HSU subs in the $600 price range. Its not listed on the Adire website but it is available for order.

Ok, so I have concluded that I won't be purchasing the EP175. I don't think I could handle buying it, meanwhile knowing that it was not the best sub I could have got for the money.

Right now the Hsu VTF-2 is looking very good. the only problem is the ports on both sides. right now I have my sub up against a desk side, and it would be right were a port is. I dont have many alternative positions for the sub, unless I have it in the middle of the walking area(lol). I might wait for the STF subs to come out.

This adire daeva sounds interesting. has anyone else had any experience with it? and what about the Rava or Rava SE? any good?

I also noticed the Vance titanic 10" sub kit on parts express. I would have no problem with a kit, but does anyone know how this sub sounds? In one review I read it was better for HT than for music.. and music is really what I'll be using it for.

You could always keep that port plugged. You only need to be sure that at least one of those ports are free. I can't remember if one port plugged gives you more depth or more spls...but it's designed to have one port plugged if you prefer it that way.

One port plugged gives you more depth.

You need about three inches of clearance for the ports to breath.