My discontinued Denon 2805 which is about 5 years old has no issues driving 80's to very very loud levels in my 8,000 cu ft room.

IMO axioms subwoofer design is more setup for home theater type bass than music. I'm no expert, but the magnet on the back is comparably small when set next to a high end car audio style subwoofer. I assume the large magnet (and high power amp) allows deeper, tighter and faster bass. Which (along with something else) I enjoy as often as possible.

So I say, skip the sub and buy some M80s and QS4s. Some day later in life you can get the sub(s).

I think you're wrong, there, J. Axiom's subs are the tightest I've heard for music. I ain't never heard no tight car subs... that said, I know there are some car audio enthusiasts here to pop in and correct me on that.

Like you said you're no expert and neither am I, but basing your conclusion on what you see is very amateur, there is much more to a sub than the total size of the driver, magnet and watts available, the way all of it interacts is the key. Axiom's driver has a very low resistance thus they can get away with smaller amps and magnets. It just takes less power to move them.

Your correct Ken in my opinion. Mr Wright, have you heard an Axiom 350v3, 500, or 600?

I cannot say for other than EP500, but that one is incredible for music. You should hear double-bass, theorbe or pipe organ! It is quite simply superb. It is a very, very fast sub and nearly linear (+/- 1db down to 18hz).

Is that even a sentence?

Aw, don't rain on Ken's parade!

Where in the hell is sentencebot when you need him. lol

I think he's in the corner of hell, sitting next to Prescott Bush.