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#236846 - 12/26/08 09:30 AM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: SatKartr]
Micah Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
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Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
That would suggest speakers that play a little too bright, no? And this is a characteristic that from EVERYTHING I've ever read about them, the M80's don't have. So to me that would futher suggest your reciever being the weak link in your system.

I can't speak for Axiom yet, but I know on my old system (very mediocer speakers, but the Denon is brilliant!) those sounds were some of my favorite! Expecially applause... it made 'Dave Matthews : Live at Central Park' my favorite cd of all time!!!
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#236848 - 12/26/08 09:44 AM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: SatKartr]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 581
Loc: New York
 Originally Posted By: SatKartr
So today I had to live with the popping sound again on Dark Knight, very noticeable, especially for example at the beginning when the batmobile crashed through the parking garage, but always at time of LFE, measured dynamic range today of 70-110 dbls.

I have gotten spoiled with the M80s because they have such great bass that I almost don't miss not having a sub (OK of course I'm dying yet still happily awaiting the ep800 still convinced it will excel versus the ep600) except for the annoyance of a pristine dynamic HT moment devolving into snap, crackle, and pop that is clearly not realistic, not even cheesy.

BTW, what do people think/say about this: the sound of wind, people clapping, or cheering (upper HF?) does not sound realistic to me at all with the Epic 80 system (disclaimer: no sub, only tweaking = speaker level set by ear, 1 db trim off 6.5 Khz); I tend to wince/grimace, everything else sounds perfectly accurate . . .


I haven't followed this thread from the start, but is this for Blu-ray? Are you sure you're not seeing/hearing the DTS-MA bomb?
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#236855 - 12/26/08 11:59 AM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: SatKartr]
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Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 374
 Originally Posted By: SatKartr
Or perhaps a movie set (fully or partially) on the ocean, or one in which the engineers are intentionally intending to sonically represent wind or applause, like a movie version of a wedding or an award presentation or something, please skip analysis of music video/audios that make no attempt to provide realism in said domain, thank you!


I'll have to go back, but I was pretty impressed by the sound in both the Master and Commander and the POTC Blu-Ray discs when it came to ocean sounds. I'll have to dig for wind and weddings when I get back.

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#236857 - 12/26/08 12:03 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: Hansang]
myrison Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
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Loc: Austin, TX
The DTS-MA bomb?

The only time I noticed ugly sounding cheering was when I had Audyssey turned on before I bought the feature pack upgrade. Before the latest upgrade (and before I reran Audyssey calibration more carefully), listening with Audyssey turned on really made everything sound "bright." Applause made the problem more apparent.
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#236859 - 12/26/08 12:09 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: myrison]
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Loc: Glendale, Arizona
I'm curious, what is the DTS-MA bomb? I haven't heard of that yet.
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#236861 - 12/26/08 12:15 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: St_PatGuy]
myrison Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
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Loc: Austin, TX
I think Hansang just wanted to bait us all with that unexplained comment...

Fortunately our chief joke-makers are still slumbering off their Christmas hangover... give it awhile and the jokes explaining the MA-Bomb will start pouring in. \:\)

Jason
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#236862 - 12/26/08 12:19 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: myrison]
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7412
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Wake up, funny-makers!!! \:\)
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#236874 - 12/26/08 01:18 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: St_PatGuy]
ihifi Offline
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 280
Loc: CT
 Originally Posted By: St_PatGuy
I'm curious, what is the DTS-MA bomb? I haven't heard of that yet.


Some AVRs and pre-pros with the capability to internally decode DTS-MA bitsream had a decoder chip that produced a very loud pop (like a bomb) on a certain code string. Some Onkyo/Integra as well as Yamaha units (? Denon and others as well) were known to be affected. Most have upgraded their firmware to address this bug. Since it can be damaging to your equipment, it is best to either avoid those movies that are known to have the potential bomb or, better yet, upgrade the firmware in order to be immune to it altogether.
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#236875 - 12/26/08 01:28 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: ihifi]
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7412
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Cool, thanks John. What a horrible bug to have.
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#236876 - 12/26/08 01:31 PM Re: Crackling speakers [Re: ihifi]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 581
Loc: New York
Jason,
Are you planning on running your EP600 *and* EP800? Or are you trading in the 600? Man...EP800 must sound awesome. I can't even fully appreciate the EP500 at this point (living in a condo and all).

John already explained the MA bomb so there's nothing for me to add on that front.
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