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#236660 - 12/24/08 07:43 AM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: JohnK]
myrison Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
Aaron - To answer your earlier question re: the Denon, I have the 3808 as well and the only time it's ever fallen short is when I turned it to 7-channel stereo and had the volume loud enough to jam to it in my workout room 30' away and through two walls. (and yes, it was "loud" even that far away) After about 30 minutes though, it did go into protect mode (hard to fault it with that kind of demand!). \:\)

At one point I walked into my theater room briefly just to hear what it sounded like... Summary: there is absolutely no way you could ever listen to it that loud. (my room is 20x14x8) I just can't imagine needing more power than it provides in a room of approximately these dimensions.

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#236788 - 12/25/08 03:58 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: chefaaron]
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
I like my LPA-1, and have said it many times here that it works beautifully with my M80's. No problems at all.

But as others have already said, it's debatable whether any of the current Emotiva amps really work well with M80's. Certainly enough complaints to be leery. I still say that since Emotiva has a full return policy that the best choice is to order one from them and test it yourself.

Outlaw amps are supposed to be very good and won't break the bank. A pair of M2200's should do a fine job with M80's.

You can't go wrong with Rotel either.
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#236790 - 12/25/08 04:28 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: terzaghi]
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 608
Loc: Dallas
 Originally Posted By: terzaghi
I really wanted to like the new emotiva XPA amps given the listed specs and price. After reading the reviews of some members here I wouldn't even consider buying them for half the listed price. Emotiva amps are clearly not the answer


I feel compelled to reiterate that it remains unclear to me if the problems I experienced with the the xpa2 were the fault of the amp, in fact I have to believe otherwise, because to this day (12/25/08) I continue to have problems reproducing LFEs, which were the ONLY time the xpa2 went into protect.

I am happy that I've moved on to another amp solution yet based on the scientific principle of experimental replication, there should be at least one more example of incompatibility between the XPA2 and Axiom/4 ohm speakers before any conclusions should be drawn, Lonnie's disheartening comments notwithstanding.

Nothing against you of course Terzaghi I appreciate your comments but I don't want the karma of piling on, on my account, it seems forum members were more open to emo prior to my debacle . . .
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#236794 - 12/25/08 04:39 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: SatKartr]
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Registered: 12/02/08
Posts: 18
Loc: Muskoka, Ontario
I have done a lot of reading on this forum and over at Emotiva looking for something that says yes these amps would work. Unfortunately I haven't found it yet.

The Outlaw 7125 or the Yamaha M-80 seem pretty good to me if I go the separate route. I think there is someone on this forum who uses a Yamaha for their M-80's.

I am leaning in the direction of getting an integrated AV receiver for now. Later when the itch for power comes up I can always add an amp or two. There are some good deals out there on the Onkyo 806 or the Denon 3808. I know there is a lot of love on this forum for the Denon.

Does anybody here have the 4308?

Thank you all for the great advice. I wish you all Merry Christmas and a great New Year.
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#236795 - 12/25/08 04:48 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: chefaaron]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
I know somebody has the 4308, I just can't remember. It is basically the same as the 3808, only you pay alot more for the 3 or 4 features the 3808 lacks, Wi-Fi being the most popular reason for the 4308, from what I have read on various threads, but that is easily equalled with a wireless access point hooked up to the 3808 for far less than the cost between the 3808 and 4308.

I just had a listen to some Outlaw products, the 990 pre and the 7125(?) amp, it sounded great with icehawk27's M60s, VP150 and QS8s. It did feel warmer than my 3808 ever does though but his are in a cabinet and mine are open to the air.
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#236860 - 12/26/08 12:13 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: jakewash]
myrison Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
HD radio is another reason people like the 4808... I think it also has one more zone possible... (up to 4 instead of 3). Note, I'm too lazy to go and confirm this all myself on Denon's site, but this is what I remember. \:\)

In my case, the tradeoff between features and price wasn't worth it, but for someone who really loves and needs wifi and HD radio, the 4808 might be the answer.

Jason
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#236870 - 12/26/08 12:53 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: myrison]
terzaghi Offline
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 4848
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I feel the same way: the 4308 does not have an extra $1000 worth of features.

Go with a 3808 and a wireless gaming adapter if you want it to access internet radio and your music library without an ethernet cable
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#236924 - 12/26/08 09:45 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: terzaghi]
BoB/335 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/08
Posts: 505
I just purchased a Denon 2309 and am now looking to get a good pair of front speakers and adding as I go along. I spoke to Denon ealier in the week and I thought the guy I spoke to said to try to stay with an 8ohm speaker. Has anyone had any trouble with the 4ohm load and is that why some here have had overheating problems with some amps?

I like the reviews I've read so far on Axiom speakers. Wondering how the M80's compare with the next ones down in the line.


Edited by BoB/335 (12/26/08 09:46 PM)

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#236926 - 12/26/08 09:49 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: BoB/335]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6722
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

The Denon will drive the M80s just fine, get them if that's what ya want.
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#236929 - 12/26/08 10:00 PM Re: Amp advice + M80s [Re: Wid]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13344
Loc: Iowa
It is interesting that the Denon guy would say stay with 8ohm speakers. Denon is one of the recommended brands Axiom mentions that are fine with m80's. My 5yr old Denon 2805 has never had problems with my previous m60's, or current m80's.
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