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#245837 - 02/08/09 10:04 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: panabrite]
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

What sub are you using?
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#245869 - 02/09/09 08:01 AM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: Wid]
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I would set your 22's to small, they can't produce the low freq's and move air like the sub can. Your sending freq's to the 22's it can't produce.
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#245873 - 02/09/09 08:09 AM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: SirQuack]
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I second the "small" setting!
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#245941 - 02/09/09 04:45 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Panabrite, it sounds to me like you are prefering the warmer/ more mellow sound of your old fronts better than the M22s, correct? I guess you do not find the mismatched timber to be bothersome with your old mains and the VP100 compared to the M22s and the VP100.

I would do as you are suggesting and run QS8's in the areas you are suggesting and run the system in 7.1 for even more envelopment, to get a reasonable idea of what it would be like, try using the M22s or your old mains positioned as highup on ladders as possible in those, or as close to, those spots as possible to see if you find a 7.1 configuration worth the money. I think you could also just install a set of QS8 in place of your present surrounds for much better surround experience.


Your posts sums it up.Don't get me wrong guys I like both sounds experiences..This is why I am thinking about using the QS8's in the mix and be able to run my old faithfuls also.I am going to experiment tonight with different positions in the room .
I am running an Audioshere sub and it really works great.
What is "mismatch timber"?I am on a learning curve here..

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#245945 - 02/09/09 04:53 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: panabrite]
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your speakers should be the same brand/drivers to be "voice matched"..
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#245947 - 02/09/09 05:09 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 02/03/09
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This is what "mismatched timber " means.I will have to listen carefully to see if I can hear this

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#245948 - 02/09/09 05:14 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: SirQuack]
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Definition I pulled off the web for timbre:How the ear identifies and classifies sound. Example: the timbre of the same note played by two different instruments (flute and tuba) will not be the same

Let's say a trumpet plays through the VP100 then for some reason moves to the left speaker, the trumpet's notes may sound higher or lower pitched through the LR speakers than it does from the VP100.

Another example would be a voice that sounds clear and concise on the VP100 might end up coming through the LR main for a split second as the actor leaves the scene, the voice may not be as clear and concise(the reason I am sure you prefer the VP100 to your old center), this difference may or may not bother you. I know it bothers me when I hear it.

Usually sticking with the same manufacturer and speaker line across the front eliminates this mismatch in tone. Some people are irritated by this change in tone/timbre others not so much.
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#245949 - 02/09/09 05:25 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: jakewash]
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6613
Loc: It's all about the location.
One way to explain timbre matchinging would be something like a train moving from left to right across your HT (not literally!!). You should hear, correction, "not hear" the transition between one speaker and another as the sound moves through from left to right, it should be 'seamless'. Sometimes when different speakers are used, or are poorly timbre matched you would hear a pitch change as the sound goes from speaker to speaker. (::making train sounds....weeee....aaaaaahhh....woooohhhh(wrong)----weeee....eeeeaah...aaahhhw(correct)::) man! I feel like an 'audiopile' now! NOT!!
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#245951 - 02/09/09 05:28 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: jakewash]
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Registered: 02/03/09
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Thanks .I totally understand now. I am going to have some fun now.. \:\)

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#245978 - 02/09/09 08:45 PM Re: Hamilton Ont area [Re: panabrite]
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Registered: 02/26/05
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Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
That did not sound like a train to me Adrian ... you need to try it again.

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