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#278728 - 11/11/09 04:32 PM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: grunt]
Argon Offline
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Registered: 07/24/04
Posts: 1443
Loc: Oak Ridge, NC
 Originally Posted By: grunt
That is very interesting. Iíll have to check out some more sports broadcasts and see if I notice the same thing. BTW Iíve never seen any pixilation yet on any source with this AE4000.


AE4000? I could probably google it when I get home. Hockey - I don't normally watch it on TV but I think that it is running on Vs. I'll check it out. I do like watching the Tour de France on Vs. - the pixelization that I see there is I think the satellite feeds breaking up on those motorcycle cams they use. I spent a lot of time over at AVS before I bought the Sony. The thing about that group over there is that they can scare you off of buying any product if you succumb to the sensationalism that goes on. There was "flashlighting", "clouding", "black crush", "ghosting" and I can't even remember all the issues. In the end I spent a lot of time on showroom floors and just followed my instincts. So I do have "flashlighting" and "clouding" but you only notice it on blank or grey screens - no biggie. I did actually see "Black Crush" the other day in a Denzel Washington movie. It made up about 10 seconds of a 2 hour movie - no biggie. I have seen ghosting - usually lasts 5 or 10 seconds in dark scenes - again no biggie. SO....98.5% of the time, I am totally blown away by the HD picture.
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#278775 - 11/11/09 08:17 PM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: Argon]
BigHonu Offline
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Registered: 08/15/09
Posts: 198
Loc: In the middle of the sea
 Originally Posted By: Argon
I have an LCD TV - most of the motion blur and/or pixelization that I see seems to be related to the signal and/or the quality of the equipment used to broadcast the event. For example, when I watch 'Big Ticket' events like the World Series, there is no blur or pixelization at all. However, when I watch some of the broadcasts of say, 'lesser ticket' college games, there is a ton of blur and/or pixelization. Not sure what the cause is?


My experience as well.

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#279343 - 11/17/09 09:56 AM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: grunt]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: grunt
 Originally Posted By: Marks Johnson

Interesting. Despite what seems to be only a 30 wpc advantage, the Onkyo is sounding "different" at higher volumes?

Colour me confused too, and ďdifferentĒ is an understatement. Above about 90=95dB average (depending on the genre) for music the 2807 started sounding really harsh. Never listened that loud so it wasnít an issue.

In the apartment I had the 2807 calibrated and played mostly at 75dB but when I moved to the house I upped that to 85dB which is when I started the ďdo I need more power threadĒ because it sound to me like it was clipping during loud movie scenes like the explosions in ďMaster and Commander.Ē

With those same scenes the Onkyo sounds loud but smooth, not harsh,


That is exactly what I noticed when I moved from y Denon 3300 to the pro amp, the harshness at high volumes went away, allowing for loud listening without fatigue. Call me crazy (again, I guess) but this purely mental affect is worth the price, even if it aint real - cause I hear it either way!
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#279344 - 11/17/09 10:05 AM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: grunt]
Zimm Offline
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: grunt
That is very interesting. Iíll have to check out some more sports broadcasts and see if I notice the same thing. BTW Iíve never seen any pixilation yet on any source with this AE4000.


You will, it is inevitable due to source quality. A watch a ton of football and I can generally know what games will have some pixilation before they start just by the channel and time of day. Night games on ESPN, CBS and NBC are superb. Day games less so, and games before 2:30 central on junk. All HD is not the same b/c all are compressed like an MP3. More compression means larger blocks of "same" data, which looks like pixilation.
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#279345 - 11/17/09 10:07 AM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: Zimm]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
Oh, and congrats on the new HT Dean, I knew you would enjoy it. If you have not already, go get Modern Warfare 2, it is jaw droppingly good on the projector.
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#279355 - 11/17/09 11:47 AM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: Zimm]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana


 Originally Posted By: Zimm

All HD is not the same b/c all are compressed like an MP3. More compression means larger blocks of "same" data, which looks like pixilation

Iím not watching as much TV as I use to once I had DirectTV move my dish because they originally put it to close to a palm tree I havenít seen any digital artifacts at all. However, with sports I do understand that it can happen more often because itís actually coming from the uplink.

 Originally Posted By: Zimm

Oh, and congrats on the new HT Dean, I knew you would enjoy it. If you have not already, go get Modern Warfare 2, it is jaw droppingly good on the projector

Thanks, still a lot of work to do as I havenít gotten the curtains yet and donít want to run the speaker wire until I know exactly where the curtain rods are going to hang. Probably a good thing since Iím now going to start experimenting with the height and wide channels which means more wire to run. I also need a darker carpet but donít want to put that in until the touchup painting is done.

Work pretty much came to a stop when the projector and screen came online. I also learned from my apartment not to get ahead of myself because I ended up doing much more than was necessary like making black throw rugs which I ended up not needing. However they have come in handy experimenting with darker colour in my house.

ProjectorReviews.com finally has a preliminary review of the AE4000 up.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/panasonic/pt-ae4000/index.php

Projector Central has had theirs up for a while

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_shootout_2009.htm
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#279358 - 11/17/09 11:59 AM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
Looking forward to the AE-6000, which should be out when I get a house! \:\) That 4000 is pretty interesting for the price...
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#279363 - 11/17/09 12:54 PM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: Zimm]
Potatohead Offline
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 670
Loc: Vancouver
 Originally Posted By: Zimm
Oh, and congrats on the new HT Dean, I knew you would enjoy it. If you have not already, go get Modern Warfare 2, it is jaw droppingly good on the projector.


Yep

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#279482 - 11/17/09 11:17 PM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: Potatohead]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Loc: Nirvana
I will get Modern Warfare 2 eventually but Iíve sworn not to get any new games until Iíve played through the ones I bought almost 2 years ago and still havenít played. Bioshock was first on that list but I didnít finish my first run when I realized I killed an important character plus itís been more fun so far on the second time through now that I have a better idea of what Iím doing. Once this is done Iíve still got Assassins Creed, The Orange Box and Fallout 3 I havenít even started. Only then will I consider allowing myself to get Modern Warfare 2 because Iíve still got many games Iíve started and never finished: Rainbow Six Vegas, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Command and Conquer 3, Halo 3, The Battle for Middle Earth 2, Star Wars Knights for the Old Republic, and eventually actually finish Elder Scrolls Oblivion and pop in Shivering Isles.

Unfortunately Iím way behind the power curve this week as we just got hit with a surprise inspection and all of management is in a state of panic. Three of them wanting me to come fix programs they havenít been maintaining before the inspectors get to them while Iím busy supporting a Vice Presidential visit because Iím the only crew chief with an all area access pass to the airport.
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#279483 - 11/17/09 11:20 PM Re: New HT Room Advice [Re: grunt]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
I thought Iíd better mention this as some people seem interested in the Onkyo 3007. Something I just spotted in the Onkyo 3007 manual is that it wonít run both the height and wide channels at the same time. You can wire both of them up but must select which you want output from at a given time. So I suppose you could use the wide channels for music and the height channels for movies if you so desired but not both at the same time. Sort of a bummer but I hadnít even intended to use them until the discussion just came back up in another thread.
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