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#28478 - 12/21/03 09:35 PM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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JB, basically neither the 525 nor the 1400 have a sound and there would be no useful purpose in listening to them at a dealer. Any slight differences in the volume level or some other detail of the setup would account for any differences heard; don't waste your time.

My own view is that the equalization feature of the 1400 is of far more significance than the variable crossover(or bass management)feature of the 525, but the weighting to give them is up to you.
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#28479 - 12/21/03 09:39 PM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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No, Ken, somewhat surprisingly HK hasn't yet taken what might appear to be the logical next step.
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#28480 - 12/21/03 10:19 PM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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In reply to:

"JB, basically neither the 525 nor the 1400 have a sound and there would be no useful purpose in listening to them at a dealer. Any slight differences in the volume level or some other detail of the setup would account for any differences heard; don't waste your time."{/quote]

JB, this is a quote from JohnK's earlier post. I use this quote because again JohnK has hit the nail on the head.

Listening to electronics at (most) dealers is a complete waste of time. If you do go to listen to receivers, keep this in mind: one can be easily manipulated and misled by the sales person with differences in levels, sub output, tone controls, etc. I've actually seen this before.

When you go to a store to see these things, pay the most attention to the feature set and don't worry so much about whether it's "bright or "warm" or whatever (save it for the speakers). Amps and pre amps should not have a sound of thier own but in the interest of fidility, they should be neutral.

Sometimes, "grain" can be detected between these types of equipment, but it takes some serious listening over a long period of time to realize it and even then it is usually insignificant. Although I must say that I've heard some high priced stuff that did exibited significant "grain". The point is, don't obsess about the sound of a reciever. It'll make you crazy until you realize it isn't very important.

Caveat: YPAO and MCACC will make a difference in as far as helping smooth out peaks and dips in frequency responses in a properly setup system.

P.S: There are a lot of posts here on the Yamaha's and Pioneer's that incorporate EQ features. Do a search on: 1400,2400,MCACC,YPAO etc....



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#28481 - 12/21/03 11:37 PM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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nope...HK does not have a MCACC or YPAO equivalent yet.

But the 630 does have quad-bass management instead of triple. Rear surrounds and side surrounds can have difference crossover points.

One thing I like about the high HK's is the ability to set difference speaker levels for different processing modes. IE. in stereo, I have everything set flat...in DTS or DD5.1, I have the sub set a little hot.


Edited by curtis (12/21/03 11:40 PM)

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#28482 - 12/22/03 01:37 AM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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Hmm. I guess I'm not as much of a tinkerer with this stuff yet. I just found it annoying, having to set everything again.
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#28483 - 12/23/03 06:31 AM Re: HK525 vs Yamaha1400
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Another happy 525 owner here. The remote does stink, both in buttons and programmability, but there are plenty of good universals out there that are much better at controlling EVERYTHING. I wouldn't base my receiver purchase on something that helps me set stuff up easier. You're only setting the speakers up once! (or a couple times maybe). That's why I got the Radio Shack SPL meter.

Frank

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