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#284865 - 01/01/10 08:54 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: grunt]
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In music Say for instance listening to Blow at High Dough by the HIP, the bass is very nice the bass drum is suspose to be deep and tight. I get the tightness out of it. umh if I have a DVD in Say Eagles Hell Frezes over Say The Long Run or Life in the FAst Lane the Bass Drum is Tight, Quick, short and bottom end. In these songs alot of accent is put on the ass drum. I love testing speakers to these songs. Now the M80's do this very well However I think after hearing this on a Paradigm Studio 100 the bottem end seems to have that one notch of more balls. Not a $1000 worth though, but ... It is like in these recording Don, or Tyler are using a 22" bass Drum, however on the Axioms it's like they are using a 20" Bass Drum. Now I use and love a 20" kik but, thats the difference between a 20", 22" and or course a 24" goes lower but not as tight , kinda like these kids and those cars you hear a mile away with that loose bass.
Maybe it would be something to experiment with some day.

Then, yet again mind you wasn't the difference between the M80's v1 and V2 have a different crossover point. Also, they changed the drivers a little bit too I think. Maybe if I actually heard a M80 v2 I will get what I am after.
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#284866 - 01/01/10 08:57 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
You can also contact Axiom and get resistors to put in before the tweeters that will attenuate the highs a bit.


Has anyone here ever tried them and written a review of how they compare to using the tone controls? Just curious.
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#284867 - 01/01/10 09:04 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: grunt]
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 Originally Posted By: troyd

In these songs alot of accent is put on the ass drum. I love testing speakers to these songs. Now the M80's do this very well However I think after hearing this on a Paradigm Studio 100 the bottem end seems to have that one notch of more balls. Not a $1000 worth though, but ...

I’d love to see that first type of drum you mentioned played ;\)

Did you hear the Axioms and Paradigms in the same room and some would say with the same equipment? If you heard them in different rooms then it’s like comparing apples and oranges because of the room acoustics involved. Also if they weren’t hooked up to the same equipment did you ensure all the settings were the same including any EQ being used? A dealer often tweaks setting to get a particular “sound” just the way they tweak settings on displays to get a particular “look.”

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#284868 - 01/01/10 09:04 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: TroyD]
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Are you within driving distance of Axiom, Troy? arranging an audition at the plant or through someone who owns the V2 M80 would answer many of your questions.

Which Monitor Audio's did your brother have, if I may ask?
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#284872 - 01/01/10 10:01 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
You can also contact Axiom and get resistors to put in before the tweeters that will attenuate the highs a bit.


This could be the ticket for taming the highs. The sole reason for dual tweeters is for handling more power, that's it. It's not to increase over do the highs. The Axiom experts have written this several times.

Maybe I've missed it but what sub are you using?
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#284881 - 01/01/10 11:20 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: Wid]
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haha, yeh I missed the "B" ...... As for testing not in the same room, Axioms were in my house, Paradigm instore. I took my Denon 3803 with me when I went though.
Same settings and other equipment. Never side by side though.
I usually don't change the controls leave them at 0, I did add a little bass, but not much maybe to one. Not really into EQ'ing because every movie recording is different, I'd be screwing with that every time. The only thing I run a eq on is band PA and my drums. But, that's consistant.

No, not even close I am in Nova Scotia so about 1800 miles away. Monitor Bronze, from what I can remember. Athena, that's it that's what he has now, pieces of crap.

well, I am going to have to sit back and listen to them first, I may try the resistors if, they haven't changed. I plan on getting a Emotiva XPA-3 for the fronts and two UPA-2
for the rears. However, I am also thinking XPA-5 for my two rears, Centre and two backs and a XPA-2 for the front L/R. Wish Denon would come out with a Pre/Pro and I'd be in Heaven
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#284884 - 01/01/10 11:25 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: TroyD]
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Registered: 02/28/08
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Loc: Edmonton Alberta
 Originally Posted By: troyd
Wish Denon would come out with a Pre/Pro and I'd be in Heaven


They do have one but you have to sell your soul for one!
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#284890 - 01/01/10 11:41 PM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: onn]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
And you otta know Mel ;\)

michaeld has the resistors on his M80s, IIRC, he liked them much better this way.

Troy as you have mentioned the Studio 100's are a better all around speaker than the M80's, IMO, but not $1000 or more worth. This is where you have to compromise, unless you are willing to spend BIG bucks to get better than the M80s, you have to buy the M80s.

I did notice the M80s sound even better and that much closer to the Studio 100s with Axiom's amp running them, so maybe look to those after market amps once you have the M80s again. \:\)
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#284896 - 01/02/10 12:05 AM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: jakewash]
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#284897 - 01/02/10 12:12 AM Re: From HT Shack a question maybe for Ian or Alan [Re: jakewash]
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: Canada
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Troy as you have mentioned the Studio 100's are a better all around speaker than the M80's, IMO, but not $1000 or more worth. This is where you have to compromise, unless you are willing to spend BIG bucks to get better than the M80s, you have to buy the M80s.

I think that is about right. Past a certain point its a game of diminishing returns. I have seen descriptions of the Paradigm Sigs vs the Studio 100s and they are described as a smoother more refined sound, particularly on the highs. Thats a lot of cash for audio nirvana though.

I am curious why you turn your sub off for music? On a lot of tracks, there is not enough bass to notice the difference between using a sub and not, but for stuff like pipe organ and deep synth the sub adds noticably.

For the size and price, the M80 does deliver an impressive amount of bass though.
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