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#289806 - 02/01/10 03:00 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Wid]
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Here's a link to the EL sub:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=918

Can't find any specs. \:\( I agree that it is pretty expensive. You can get a single M80 for $665 (US) right now, which is probably about what a horizontally configured M80 center channel would run for.
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#289808 - 02/01/10 03:02 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Murph]
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You know, with Andrew joining the Axiom team, it'll be interesting if any different ideas are put on the table(think some of Mirage's ideas).
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#289816 - 02/01/10 03:34 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Murph]
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Certainly with the upper end, high-priced speaker brands, aside from the evaluation of the sound, it always looks to me that much of what you are paying for is in the more exotic and more expensive cabinetry and aesthetics. Aside from name recognition, I believe the recent Lexicon/Oppo controversy somewhat revealed how that comes in to play with the "perception" of the potential buyer.

If one looks at the market place today, no other brand comes close to the enormous variety of finishes that Axiom offers and of course when you get in to the "real wood" veneer products, the price to build them goes up significantly. No matter what the finish, it doesn't change the quality of the sound but in the perception of the potential buyer if "hypothetically" Axiom decided to produce speakers strictly in the more expensive finishes, called it their "ultimate V3" line and charged more money, would that "niche" market perceive it to be better? Given the way some think, that would likely be the case. We see this exact example with even Axiom's closest Canadian competitors such as Paradigm and PSB who manufacture three or four lines each somewhat more "exotic" than the other and more expensive.

The way Axiom handles it, I believe, in the variety, just lets the "performance" of the product speak for itself and give the customer the options of how much more money they want to spend on "looks". In the end, I am sure their sales volume shows this to be the best overall marketing strategy.

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#289850 - 02/01/10 06:08 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: casey01]
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Although I appreciate the finishes, I'm talking about improvements in sound quality.
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#289862 - 02/01/10 07:06 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: 2x6spds]
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Why aren't you looking at the newer plots for these speakers? Here's the 5 yr old plot for the M80v2 (which I imagine isn't particularly accurate any more), and it's way better than that M80ti plot you're using:

http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m80v2/

That's the newest Axiom plot they have. The next oldest one is from 2002. The one you're using? 2001.

QED: they're making improvements in sound quality. They may not be doing it how you'd like (eg with exotic materials and parts), but they're doing it.
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#289900 - 02/01/10 09:54 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Ken.C]
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My favorites link takes me to a soundstage list of speakers which does not include the V2 or I would have used it.

thanks for the link. I'll bookmark it,

That certainly is a beautiful fr plot.

Do you have the link to the master index page which includes the M80 V2 plot?


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#289908 - 02/01/10 10:25 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: 2x6spds]
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Here you are, P.
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#289909 - 02/01/10 10:33 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: JohnK]
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I was just looking at the graphs for the M80s and even the impedance graphs looks to have changed. Could one of you fellows (Peter) super impose one on the other to be able to take a better look.
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#289921 - 02/01/10 11:20 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
QED: they're making improvements in sound quality. They may not be doing it how you'd like (eg with exotic materials and parts), but they're doing it.

I understand what you are saying, but I think there is an emotional desire for the company we love to love to stretch its wings, even if it makes no sense from a business perspective.
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#289939 - 02/02/10 12:14 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: fredk]
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It may make some sense, FredK, even if sales are modest. Taking on the icons - Harbeth, Spendor, Usher's Little Dancers, Focal, Revel, Dynaudio ... and matching them or beating them at a reasonable price would work for me as a consumer.

Also, as to a premium line, if the upgraded components resulted in an improvement in sound quality would give folks an opportunity to upgrade at a modest cost. Some folks may want to upgrade the veneer finish. I'd be one of them also. However, what if you could upgrade sound quality for more or less the price of an upgraded finish? I'd go with the upgraded audio.
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