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#289453 - 01/30/10 10:22 PM Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Yes, we all love our Axiom speakers. For me, the reasons are that Axiom speakers give great audio quality for a good price. My favorite Axiom speakers for 2 channel music (2.1) are the M3Tis. These are excellent speakers, at a very good price, but they are not perfect. It has its detractors on this site who correctly point out that these speakers have a 'hump' in their frequency response at about 90-120HZ and a 'hole' at about 8HZ.

So, here is the plot from SoundStage.com:



Response curve is an average of five measurements:
on-axis, 15 degrees left and right off-axis,
15 degrees up and down off-axis

Now, here is the plot for the Usher Be-718 (Little Dancer)



Here is the plot for the MB Quart Vera VS 1F Loudspeaker:



Anyway, I responded to the Axiom survey and here are some of my thoughts which I thought I would share:

Lower the price of the current line of speakers.
Come out with a premium line with high quality cross-over components.

Come out with a new line of speakers which target the icons in each segment

mini monitor, book shelf speakers (5", 6.5" and 8" driver) like the Usher above, the Harbeths, Spendor SA1, Focal;

Towers - here is the response plot for the M80Ti (not the V2):




Here's the plot for the Thiel CS2.4:



This is not to say that the Axiom speakers are not better than many very expensive speakers. Axioms are better than many, but not all.

Why not beat the really great speakers at Axiom price levels? It seems to me that Axiom is the outfit which just might be able to accomplish this.

Just a thought or two.
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#289472 - 01/30/10 11:55 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: 2x6spds]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Loc: It's all about the location.
I wouldn't mind seeing a nice curved style cabinet like a few of the manufacturers have done with wood veneer finish, but I'm sure it would add a fair amount to the manufacturing cost.
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#289477 - 01/31/10 12:04 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: 2x6spds]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
Interesting thoughts.

I’m not sure how many people here who point out that the M3 has a hump are detractors. I often point that out either as a plus or a minus depending on the intended use to make sure someone understands what they are buying. I’ve never heard the speaker so I wouldn’t speak to how it performs. The VP150 on the other hand. ;\)

I’m curious what Axiom’s market research tells them. The present model seems to be to keep things simple. Limiting the number of different components need by keeping them interchangeable. I’d sort of hate to see them evolve to many “lines” of speakers like other manufactures.

OTOH there is something to be said for taking from the rich and giving to the poor. I’m sure many businesses charge a premium for “high end” lines to offset the price charges for “lower” lines.

I was actually a little disappointed at first when Axioms started making their amps. I’m of the philosophy that you do one thing really good rather than diversify to much and do many things marginally. Then I realized selling amps is probably a logical extension from designing amps for their subs.
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#289479 - 01/31/10 12:15 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: grunt]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: Canada
It would be interesting to see Axiom take a kick at a higher end bookshelf. I don't know how that would fit into their business model though.
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#289482 - 01/31/10 12:22 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: fredk]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6613
Loc: It's all about the location.
That might be a good marketing test...try an upscale bookshelf first, to see what kind of interest there is then maybe go to a tower speaker if it's successful. Could be like an "Anniversary Edition" or something along those lines.
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#289483 - 01/31/10 12:38 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: Adrian]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6722
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

I don't see a need for it. They have a pretty full line now and offer enough for most to choose from.
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#289489 - 01/31/10 01:35 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: grunt]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
Hey Grunt

I never thought of you as a detractor just because of a little hump.

I also thought that Axiom stepped pretty far out of their comfort zone when they took a shot at an expensive switching type amplifier.

I thought their shot at the new range of subs was also pretty gutsy. There are some great sub manufacturers out there - JMLab, Hsu, SVS.

Yo Adrian, I agree, if Axiom were to try this, the bookshelf would be the place to start.

In any case, Axiom is a loudspeaker manufacturer which distributes on line. I think Axiom should aim higher, take on the best speakers out there and beat them at a low price.


Edited by 2x6spds (01/31/10 01:37 AM)
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#289507 - 01/31/10 08:39 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: 2x6spds]
GregLee Offline
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Registered: 03/12/03
Posts: 131
Loc: Waimanalo, HI
Wireless speakers.
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#289524 - 01/31/10 11:13 AM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: GregLee]
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16289
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
 Originally Posted By: GregLee
Wireless speakers.

Axiom was working on wireless indoor/outdoor M3s at one point --- they had pictures of a pair at a home decor convention (I think?) they participated in -- but the wireless audio technology wasn't mature enough for them to release it. This is definitely something the audio market is ripe for, and I have a feeling Axiom will be quick to market with a product when they have one that performs up to their standards.
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#289530 - 01/31/10 12:10 PM Re: Suggestions for New Axiom Speakers [Re: pmbuko]
casey01 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
Posts: 768
Loc: Toronto
I think Axiom pretty well covers the gamut of speaker lines and has so for a number of years especially when you consider the unprecedented number of finish options available.

One area though, that I personally, would like them to add to their stable of speaker lines would be a LARGER center channel offering that one could run "full range" and negate the problem with many center channels and their small drivers AND cabinets which tend to have an unnatural emphasis of voices in the 300-500 hz range. I have tried many different center channels over the years and regardless of price, they all have to one degree or another this limitation and it has never sounded quite right to me. Because location of the speaker can substantially change the timbre, I have seen recently with Outlaw and Emotiva speaker products, that they have also included a built-in boundary compensation switch along with a switch to negate the "mid-range" emphasis. Never having heard speakers with these features, I am unsure as to their effectiveness. The smaller bookshelf speakers like the M2 and M3 can help in this area but they, sometimes, can have their limitations as well.

I know with center channels, cabinet size often is an issue, but I think a larger speaker would be a better blend with the M60's/80's and go a long way to negating the need for these switches.

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