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#297631 - 03/21/10 12:30 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: fredk]
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The M3s are so tube friendly. M80s are hard to schlepp to listening sessions. I like book shelf speakers.

However, Mr. Sroode, your point is well taken. That is why I hope our friends at Axiom come out with a revised M3 that is again a world beater. The rest of the audio world has caught up.

I agree with Fred that Axiom clearly devoted substantial resources to its subwoofer project ... and since resources are finite, perhaps resources which could have been used to upgrade Axiom's current line of speakers.
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#297632 - 03/21/10 12:40 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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The M22v2s are ruler flat over the same or larger range than the M3s. Axiom has the speaker you describe, but you don't like it as much as your older M3s, which, ya know, is fine.

Axiom's focus, from what I've learned in speaking to Ian et al, is on getting as flat a response as possible not just on-axis, but off-axis.

As to the subwoofer issues, clearly there have been issues with the EP800, which have been/are being addressed. I don't think it's taken away from the lineup--just ask people who have working EP800s! I have yet to see a post from any of them after receiving revised, working amps, that is negative about the product!

A1400 owners? Also appear to be a pretty happy crowd.


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#297634 - 03/21/10 12:47 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
A1400 owners? Also appear to be a pretty happy crowd.


I could only wish... I was saving Axiom dollars to get one of those in a year or two, but I will be very happy with my new center M80!
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#297635 - 03/21/10 12:52 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
The M22v2s are ruler flat over the same or larger range than the M3s. Axiom has the speaker you describe, but you don't like it as much as your older M3s, which, ya know, is fine.

Axiom's focus, from what I've learned in speaking to Ian et al, is on getting as flat a response as possible not just on-axis, but off-axis.

to the subwoofer issues, clearly there have been issues with the EP800, which have been/are being addressed. I don't think it's taken away from the lineup--just ask people who have working EP800s! I have yet to see a post from any of them after receiving revised, working amps, that is negative about the product!

A1400 owners? Also appear to be a pretty happy crowd.


Are there any regulars on this board that own the A1400-2?
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#297636 - 03/21/10 12:55 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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Mel has either the A1400-2 or the 8, I can't remember.
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#297637 - 03/21/10 12:56 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Adrian]
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Yeah I have heard rumblings of a few owning the 8, never much noise about the 2. Its sort of like the M50 of speakers - not much talk about them.
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#297638 - 03/21/10 12:58 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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Loc: It's all about the location.
Also Eric has the "8", not sure who has the "2".
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#297640 - 03/21/10 01:09 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
The M3s are so tube friendly. M80s are hard to schlepp to listening sessions. I like book shelf speakers.

However, Mr. Sroode, your point is well taken. That is why I hope our friends at Axiom come out with a revised M3 that is again a world beater. The rest of the audio world has caught up.

I agree with Fred that Axiom clearly devoted substantial resources to its subwoofer project ... and since resources are finite, perhaps resources which could have been used to upgrade Axiom's current line of speakers.


It would be intersting to hear an M3 will a fully designed crossover where the speaker is not using its own mechanical roll-off. I am sure the speaker would sound different. But I bet that is a reason why you like the M3 so much.
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#297641 - 03/21/10 01:17 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Suggestion No. 5: Improve the sound quality of the already wonderful Axiom speakers.

Yes, we all love our Axiom speakers. For me, the reasons are that Axiom speakers give great audio quality for a good price. My favorite Axiom speakers for 2 channel music (2.1) are the M3Tis. These are excellent speakers, at a very good price, but they are not perfect. It has its detractors on this site who correctly point out that these speakers have a 'hump' in their frequency response at about 90-120HZ and a 'hole' at about 8HZ.

So, here is the plot from SoundStage.com:



Response curve is an average of five measurements:
on-axis, 15 degrees left and right off-axis,
15 degrees up and down off-axis

Now, here is the plot for the Usher Be-718 (Little Dancer)



Here is the plot for the MB Quart Vera VS 1F Loudspeaker:




Have you tried the M2 v2? That has a flat response curve more in line with the Usher & Quart. BTW, how much do those speakers cost?

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#297642 - 03/21/10 01:23 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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The rumblings about the "8" comes from early units and some complains because of ground-loops in homes that suddenly shows up because of the introduction of separates and not using XLF connections.
Jakeman has both the -8 and the -2.
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