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#297791 - 03/22/10 12:40 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: pmbuko]
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would like to have a 3 way option, with the tweeter, mid and sub in the same cabinet.. they do not offer a 3 way speaker cabinet, however they do have the speakers, they just need to build a cabinet for them... I have M60's right now, and would be more than willing to upgrade to a 3 way design......

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#297793 - 03/22/10 01:01 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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OK, so, we have speaker A with a ruler flat frequency response, but speaker A only reproduces frequencies between 5000Hz and 10000Hz; we have speaker B with a ruler flat frequency response, but speaker B reproduces frequencies between 20Hz and 20000Hz. The FR curve is indistinguishable. Do they sound the same?

Of course not.

The point is that the objective measurements we rely on to compare speaker performance measure only a limited set of variables.

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 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
OK, so, here's the question:

Do all speakers with flat response sound the same?

Let's refine the vopros, if I have a speaker which only reproduces the frequency range of 5000Hz to 10,000Hz, but produces a ruler flat response will it sound identical to another speaker of another manufacturer which produces a flat response...



Do we think that all the variables which contribute to a speaker's sound quality are measured by a frequency response curve?

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#297795 - 03/22/10 01:16 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: dakkon]
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 Originally Posted By: dakkon
would like to have a 3 way option, with the tweeter, mid and sub in the same cabinet.. they do not offer a 3 way speaker cabinet, however they do have the speakers, they just need to build a cabinet for them... I have M60's right now, and would be more than willing to upgrade to a 3 way design......


I think you mean a power tower, right? Your M60s are 3 way already--tweeter, mid, dual woofers. Power towers can be problematic, not just because of the limited volume of a tower cabinet as opposed to a dedicated subwoofer, but also because of placement issues. I wouldn't expect to see anything quite like this out of Axiom.
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#297797 - 03/22/10 01:49 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
OK, so, we have speaker A with a ruler flat frequency response, but speaker A only reproduces frequencies between 5000Hz and 10000Hz; we have speaker B with a ruler flat frequency response, but speaker B reproduces frequencies between 20Hz and 20000Hz. The FR curve is indistinguishable.


But they aren't indistinguishable. The portion between 5-10KHz may be, but that doesn't make the entire curve indistinguishable. That's like having one curve appear smoother than another...but only because the "smoother" curve uses significantly larger dB increments in the Y axis.

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#297800 - 03/22/10 02:41 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: ]
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Right you are, HTnut, so ... between 20Hz and 10,000Hz and between 10,000 Hz and 20,000Hz, Speaker A generates a pure tone (B flat) with a perfectly flat frequency response.

The two graphs are identical - ruler flat in the words of Kcarlie.

Thanks HT pointing that out.
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#297815 - 03/22/10 10:26 AM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: ]
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For those who have not seen a truly flat speaker measurement, check out some of the B&W 800/801/802 series speakers. I remember one that was +- .5db from 20Hz to 20KHz. You are, of course, in a slightly different price range.

I was hoping that Soundstage had one of these measured do I could grab it quick, but they don't.


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#297898 - 03/22/10 06:44 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: fredk]
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the m60's are not a true 3 way, the heve a tweeter and mid's. there is no sub, so they do not cover the full sound spectrum..


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or the B&W 800's






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#297900 - 03/22/10 06:47 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: dakkon]
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Splitting hairs a bit. Just because the 6.5" drivers aren't big doesn't mean they're covering the same frequencies as the 5.25" drivers. It's a 3 way design.
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#297902 - 03/22/10 06:56 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Ken.C]
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He should have listed the prices too ;\)
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#297903 - 03/22/10 06:57 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Ken.C]
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Wouldn't they be four way if a sub is incorporated into the cabinet? Subs are for non-directional LFE, not 'regular' base - as I understand it anyway.
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