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#297666 - 03/21/10 04:59 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Adrian]
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Registered: 02/28/08
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian
Mel has either the A1400-2 or the 8, I can't remember.


I have the 8 and I had a problem with it shortly after I got it but have had no problems since. I only use it now to power my front M80's. As long as I don't let Jay touch it I should be fine. \:D
Sorry Jay it just blurted out!

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#297667 - 03/21/10 05:00 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: onn]
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You've got an A1400-8 and a Denon 7 channel amp?
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#297669 - 03/21/10 05:03 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
You've got an A1400-8 and a Denon 7 channel amp?


Someones paying attention here. Guilty as charged. \:D
But it's 10 channels

Mel


Edited by onn (03/21/10 05:08 PM)
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#297670 - 03/21/10 05:04 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Are there any regulars on this board that own the A1400-2?


I wouldn't mind adding one to my system, but not at the current price. Someone recently mentioned that $1500 would make it much more tempting, and I agree. I would probably bite at that price. I know, I have an A1400-8, so why would I need an A1400-2? I guess just because I'll probably end up with a processor that does 9.1 next, which means my poor A1400-8 will be just a little short. Then I could have the A1400-2 for the M80s and the A1400-8 would handle the rest. I wonder how many dedicated circuits I'll go for in my HT. Deafness is my future. Either that or a whole lot of wasted potential. Yeah, that sounds more like me.

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#297671 - 03/21/10 05:05 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: CV]
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OK I'll say it.
No I better not.

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#297678 - 03/21/10 06:15 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: BlueJays1]
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Dr. House

I agree. I think the sound quality I like so much about the M3 is because the driver mechanically rolls off and Axiom uses no cross over.

The Reference 3a de capo speakers use the same pure signal path solution but sound much better than the M3s. Nevertheless, I think Axiom is on the right path with the M3, just needs something, dunno what - new cabinet design, new cap/resistor array for the tweeter, new tweeter, dunno.

Ola HTnut, I had a pair of M2es, just gave them away (not because I did not like them, but because I did). They are very much like the M22s, just less.

Kcarlie, I have M22s. I know they are ruler flat. To my ears, there is something missing, and I am not just speaking about bass. The sound quality of the M22s is also 'flat.'

Thanks also for assuring us about the status of problems with Axiom subwoofers and amplifiers. Everything is fine, nothing to look at here, just move along.


 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
The M3s are so tube friendly. M80s are hard to schlepp to listening sessions. I like book shelf speakers.

However, Mr. Sroode, your point is well taken. That is why I hope our friends at Axiom come out with a revised M3 that is again a world beater. The rest of the audio world has caught up.

I agree with Fred that Axiom clearly devoted substantial resources to its subwoofer project ... and since resources are finite, perhaps resources which could have been used to upgrade Axiom's current line of speakers.


It would be intersting to hear an M3 will a fully designed crossover where the speaker is not using its own mechanical roll-off. I am sure the speaker would sound different. But I bet that is a reason why you like the M3 so much.



Edited by 2x6spds (03/21/10 06:18 PM)
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#297687 - 03/21/10 06:42 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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It took a long while to "re-train" my ears to get used to the flat response. It's hard to find speakers that can truly output a flat response and still be affordable. Growing up, I tended to bump the bass and treble way too much. I've owned a variety of speakers over the last couple of decades (Advent, Cerwin Vega, Infinity, Polk, Boston Acoustics, even Bose), and I can say I'm extremely impressed with the reproduction of the Axioms. If I need to adjust the sound, I prefer to do it in the preamplification stage, but I do really don't do that anymore either. Now, when I listen to music that is "equalized" (usually in pubs or restaurants), it just doesn't sound natural to my ears.
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#297690 - 03/21/10 06:48 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: SRoode]
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 Originally Posted By: SRoode
It took a long while to "re-train" my ears to get used to the flat response. It's hard to find speakers that can truly output a flat response and still be affordable. Growing up, I tended to bump the bass and treble way too much. I've owned a variety of speakers over the last couple of decades (Advent, Cerwin Vega, Infinity, Polk, Boston Acoustics, even Bose), and I can say I'm extremely impressed with the reproduction of the Axioms. If I need to adjust the sound, I prefer to do it in the preamplification stage, but I do really don't do that anymore either. Now, when I listen to music that is "equalized" (usually in pubs or restaurants), it just doesn't sound natural to my ears.


till my Axioms, with a bunch in between Advent seemed to reproduce the Jazz I liked the bset. But that was many years ago.. who knows ?
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#297703 - 03/21/10 07:40 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: Glitchy]
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OK, so, here's the question:

Do all speakers with flat response sound the same?

Let's refine the vopros, if I have a speaker which only reproduces the frequency range of 5000Hz to 10,000Hz, but produces a ruler flat response will it sound identical to another speaker of another manufacturer which produces a flat response...



Do we think that all the variables which contribute to a speaker's sound quality are measured by a frequency response curve?
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#297706 - 03/21/10 07:45 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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In the same room, with the same placement, and the same equipment, and the same efficiency, I see no reason why they should not sound the same.
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