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#318484 - 08/13/10 08:16 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Are you sure that all 4 drivers are operating? Is it possible that one of the speakers has a woofer that's not playing?


All 4 drivers are running. The Model Six's blow the M3's away. I've been sitting here for over an hour A/B both speakers and there is no comparison. The cheap Model Six's sound fuller and cleaner and more open than the M3's. I'm sitting here scratching my head.


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#318486 - 08/13/10 08:18 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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Well, a volume difference will do that, but it really seems like there's something else going on here. That something else could be that you just like the Model Sixes better, of course...
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#318487 - 08/13/10 08:18 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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Buddy, I'm no fan boy. But your M3s are simply busted. M3s that sound bright, metalic, brittle, unnatural? M3s that are not stunningly wonderful at reproducing vocals? That's not the sound of any Axiom M3 I've ever heard and I've heard M3Tis, V2s and V2.5s which they tell me are really V3s.

Obviously, there's nothing wrong with your Onk because you report your other speakers sound fine. The sibilance you report could be the result of a defective tweeter. Of course, I'm no doctor, so I don't know what's wrong with your M3s but what you're reporting is not an issue of mere personal preference.

Sorry that you're not getting the good M3 experience because they are a wonderful sounding speaker ... my personal favorite from among all Axiom's offerings.

Originally Posted By: jerrymb
OK I'm now convinced that something is wrong here. Just for the heck of it I hooked back up a pair of Cambridge Soundworks Model 6 speakers that I had packed away when I got the M3's the other day. The Model Six's cost me $99 per pair a few months ago. They normally sell for $149 per pair. I connected the Six's back up and left the M3's hooked up also. I put in a good sounding cd and A/B the 2 speakers.The Model Six's sound better. Shockingly better. The M3's have a higher sensitivety than the Model Six's do but yet they play much softer? I have to turn the volume up 10 points higher on the M3's to match the volume of the Six's even though the M3's are supposed to be more efficient.

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#318488 - 08/13/10 08:19 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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It could very well be you just don't like the M3 sound. I am not a fan of them myself. I prefer the M22 for it's clean midrange and great top end, but I would be very hesitant to recommend them to you as many find them bright, even more so than the M3.
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#318490 - 08/13/10 08:25 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jakewash]
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I waited so long to get the M3's. I did so much research on them. I guess I learned a few lessons the last few days. Does anyone know how long it takes Axiom to send the email with the return shipping labels? I got an email yesterday saying it would be coming.


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#318491 - 08/13/10 08:42 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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Return shipping labels: I usually get them right away (within a day or 2) from Noreen. I've sent speakers back 2 different times.

My first purchase was 2 M22's and 2 M3's. I bought the M3's, and a receiver, as a gift for my son. The M22's and another receiver for myself. I listened to both for a while. Overall I preferred the M22's. But if I had never heard the M22's, the M3's would have been just fine. A little less pronounced mid-range in the M3's. Neither speaker sound bad in any way. But I am at a disadvantage in that I've not listened to any other speakers in a long time.

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#318496 - 08/13/10 09:28 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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Jerry, your description of your experience differs so greatly from the typical listening(and measurement)results on the M3 that it doesn't appear to be realistic to term it a mere "personal preference". The "something's wrong" comments appear to be more likely, especially considering your report of a significantly lower volume when compared to a nominally slightly less sensitive speaker.

Although you've said that all drivers are operating, what you've described would be consistent with a mid-woofer providing little or no output. Testing the relative bass volume levels, by ear if necessary, using a bass test tone or at least a bass-heavy musical passage, should be tried.

You've spent too much time and effort picking Axiom to just send them back as quickly as possible and go away with bad feelings. Spend some more time to try to discover the real cause of the problem.
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#318497 - 08/13/10 09:43 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: JohnK]
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Originally Posted By: JohnK
Jerry, your description of your experience differs so greatly from the typical listening(and measurement)results on the M3 that it doesn't appear to be realistic to term it a mere "personal preference". The "something's wrong" comments appear to be more likely, especially considering your report of a significantly lower volume when compared to a nominally slightly less sensitive speaker.

Although you've said that all drivers are operating, what you've described would be consistent with a mid-woofer providing little or no output. Testing the relative bass volume levels, by ear if necessary, using a bass test tone or at least a bass-heavy musical passage, should be tried.

You've spent too much time and effort picking Axiom to just send them back as quickly as possible and go away with bad feelings. Spend some more time to try to discover the real cause of the problem.


The Model Six speakers that I compared the M3's to are acoustic suspension which should require more volume to play as loudly as the M3's unless I'm wrong on that. Yet with the volume remaining the same when I switch back and forth between the two the Model Six's play much louder than the M3's and the M3's are supposed to be have a higher sensitivety than the Model Six's.


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#318498 - 08/13/10 09:59 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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that really is not a valid test, as if you re-run the calibration with the SPL meter or built in receiver calibration, you would end up with different settings for each speaker. you can't just use the A/B switch on the receiver for a true representation. also, how do you have your settings for the speakers, large, small, and what crossover. are you using a sub?
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#318499 - 08/13/10 10:01 PM Re: I just ordered a pair of M3 v3 Bookshelf Speakers [Re: jerrymb]
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