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#336001 - 01/28/11 01:10 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: turbo16v]
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Haven't tried a fantom center. Maybe tonight I'll see how that sounds.

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#336002 - 01/28/11 01:12 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: turbo16v]
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Worked really well for me when I was sitting DIRECTLY in front of the TV. Moving just a little to the side destroyed it.
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#336003 - 01/28/11 01:13 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: Ken.C]
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Isn't that the reason he wanted to switch to an M2? Because the VP150 didn't work correctly if not sitting in the center.

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#336004 - 01/28/11 01:14 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: Ken.C]
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Hi turbo,

When I looked at the photo at the beginning of this thread, I thought to myself, well, you do have your VP150 kind of buried in that equipment stand. I think interference and boundary effects from the neighboring equipment might well affect the lateral dispersion of the VP150. Following up kcarlile's comment, try pulling the center out a bit and see if it improves anything.

All speakers function better in free space. This, of course, makes placement of center channel speakers a real pain in the butt. In my own case, when I placed a VP150 in the equipment stand below my flat screen, I hated the sound. Moving it to a metal shelf supported by the TV reduced coloration and improved intelligibility.

And no, with all the talk of using an M2 as a center, which I've tried, it will not keep up with the M80s at higher SPL levels and may sound strained. After all, the 150 has five drivers and the M2 just two. At higher playback levels, the VP150 is much better equipped to deliver clean, high-volume dialog.

For aesthetic reasons, I doubt you'll want to move your center to less-encumbered placement above the screen or stand. There might be an arrangement of dual M2s that could work for you. I'll think about it.

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#336005 - 01/28/11 01:14 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Worked really well for me when I was sitting DIRECTLY in front of the TV. Moving just a little to the side destroyed it.
That is how the vp150 acts in my room. frown

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#336007 - 01/28/11 01:17 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: turbo16v]
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It seems I've seen this somewhere, but what about a center design that has speakers pointing in 3 directions forward, and slightly off to the sides, and maintaining the horizontal design?


Edited by CatBrat (01/28/11 01:18 PM)

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#336009 - 01/28/11 01:20 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: turbo16v]
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Strange. What I get with my VP100 (not ideally placed, probably not set up right) is that it overpowers the other speakers, so EVERYTHING sounds like it's coming from the center, even off axis.
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#336011 - 01/28/11 01:21 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: Ken.C]
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Well, Ken, you DO have it bumped up 26dB.... grin
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#336012 - 01/28/11 01:22 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: alan]
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Originally Posted By: alan

And no, with all the talk of using an M2 as a center, which I've tried, it will not keep up with the M80s at higher SPL levels and may sound strained. After all, the 150 has five drivers and the M2 just two. At higher playback levels, the VP150 is much better equipped to deliver clean, high-volume dialog.


Good point Alan, thanks for making it. That's one aspect that I hadn't considered though it's obvious now that you mention it.
Out of curiosity and education for the rest of us, what was your experience like using the M2 as a center channel (aside from not keeping up with the M80's).


Edited by cb919 (01/28/11 01:23 PM)
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#336013 - 01/28/11 01:23 PM Re: replacing vp150 with m2 [Re: CatBrat]
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Turbo,

I looked again at the photo. What is on top of your stand? Is there a flat surface you could try putting the VP150 on, angled down a bit? It should improve dialog intelligibility and from the photo, the center would still be close enough to the screen to anchor dialog in the center.

Using a "phantom" center is hopeless. You can't adjust the center channel level and off-axis the center will shift to the nearest M80-- highly undesirable.

Alan
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