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#337737 - 02/09/11 09:43 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: casey01]
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Casey, no the online version of the review doesn't have, among other things, the price. In the magazine itself, at p.65 under "Key Features" it lists the price at $1040. For some reason this is among the things S&V leaves out when they make a review available on-line a few weeks later.
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#337747 - 02/09/11 10:45 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JohnK]
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Registered: 05/23/10
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Loc: Greater Vancouver
I don't mind the look of my M60s, but love the sound. I have a pair of KEF iQ1 bookshelf speakers that sound pretty good, but look great. Marking the M60s down to 4 for appearance seems somewhat uncharitable.

More disturbing, though, is the snide tone of the review. It sounds more like something someone might write in high school when they haven't got a clue about tone in writing and think sarcasm is cool.

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#337808 - 02/10/11 11:57 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: FrankeeD]
JBall Offline
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I don't know, I thought the review was very kind especially considering the measurement. I prefer critical reviews that teach me something about the product I can't learn on the manufacturers website.

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#337809 - 02/10/11 12:07 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 02/05/06
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Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I still can't hear a damn thing from that graph.

Amen.

What kind of audiopile gives equal consideration to how a speaker looks and sounds? I mean, come on. Why do you buy the things?
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#337819 - 02/10/11 12:17 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: medic8r]
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Don't audiophiles care about how the speaker measures? So weird this is being glossed over. Brent mentioned several times that the tweeters were too bright and there was too much bass hence he had to move the speakers far off the back wall than he is used to. His listening comments seem to correlate with the measurement despite that he seems to downplay it towards the end. I think he was being kind b/c of all the Axiom ads on their site and in their magazine. Read between the lines...Did he really like this speaker?

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#337822 - 02/10/11 12:28 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Don't audiophiles care about how the speaker measures? So weird this is being glossed over. Brent mentioned several times that the tweeters were too bright and there was too much bass hence he had to move the speakers far off the back wall than he is used to. His listening comments seem to correlate with the measurement despite that he seems to downplay it towards the end. I think he was being kind b/c of all the Axiom ads on their site and in their magazine. Read between the lines...Did he really like this speaker?


So....you know Brent?
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#337823 - 02/10/11 12:30 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Argon]
JBall Offline
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I don't know him personally but I can see his tone change when he really digs a speaker. Look at his comments about the Revels. That review has a much different tone...

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#337824 - 02/10/11 12:30 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 05/13/02
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Loc: western canada
Originally Posted By: JBall
I don't know, I thought the review was very kind especially considering the measurement. I prefer critical reviews that teach me something about the product I can't learn on the manufacturers website.

If you believe that review of the M60 for the reasons you state, then i have some ice cubes to sell you...

The words chosen for his review give away his obvious bias of expectation before he listened to the speakers.
And yes, his room DOES make a huge difference in those measurements. Listing his specific methods would be of great use, but somehow i doubt they used an anechoic chamber to remove the room effect from this equation.
Without normalizing the data for room effects, his entire review becomes specific to that one room.
Many graphs have been put up on the forums over the years demonstrating someone's Axiom speakers in their listening space and every one has been unique.
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#337826 - 02/10/11 12:33 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 02/05/06
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Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
My point was not about the graph or measuring issue, even though I did piggyback it on Tom's comment.

My issue with the review is that I value sound way more than looks, and I think it's idiotic for a professional journalist to weigh them equally when reviewing a speaker. If you or I choose to do that, then, you know, free country and all that. But I can't fathom that, on the whole, people who buy high-quality loudspeakers do it as much for their looks as for their sound.

I'd have done what Car and Driver does and given each category a relative maximum of points and then totaled them, e.g.

Sound: 48 out of 60
Value: 28 out of 30
Appearance: 4 out of 10

Total: 80 out of 100.

Since "Sound" is such a big area, it could be subdivided into Bass, Treble, soundstage, whatever subcategories you'd like.
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#337827 - 02/10/11 12:34 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 11/11/10
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Funny how the revels in his same room measured so flat...

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