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#337892 - 02/10/11 05:05 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Adrian]
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OK, I don't post much but I could not let this go. Here are some thoughts, in no particular order, worth the price that you paid, proceed at your own risk.

The reviewer contradicts himself when talking about the use of titanium. With the M60, he said "Lockheed used a lot of titanium on the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, so it must be awesome." To me, that felt like somewhat of a snide / sarcastic and unprofessional remark, yet he applauded the Revels for "boasting snazzy titanium cones," but he doesn't say what advantage it offers, which ironically was another one of his criticism's toward Axiom.

He also said this about the M60, "I ended up with the M60s placed so that their backs were 30 inches from the wall, almost double the distance I usually prefer." and said this about the Revels: "To sound its best, (the Salon2) needs to sit about 3 feet out from the wall behind it." So what does this mean?

1. Both Salon2 and M60 are good because they need to be that far from the wall?
2. Both Salon2 and M60 are bad because they need to be that far from the wall?
3. The Salon2 is good because it needs to be that far from the wall, but the M60 is bad because it needs to be that far from the wall?

Sure, the Revel graph is flatter, but is it really worth an extra $20,000 just to even out the small bump below 100Hz and above 10kHz? Heck, if I spent an extra $20,000 for these Revels - or any speaker for that matter - then they had darn well better be flatter, look superior, sound superior, smell superior, taste superior, AND cook me breakfast in the morning.

That's it, flame away.
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#337894 - 02/10/11 05:18 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: avjunkee]
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Wow people don't like to have stuff they owned critically criticized. Seriously, I own a Hyunia Genesis Coupe. I very much enjoy reading all the pros/cons from pro reviewers even if I may not agree with them all. It's amazing how quickly owners are willing to dismiss findings.

I looked at several reviews from Brent and others at S&V and haven't seen any speakers such as the NHT's, Monitor Audios, exhibit so much high frequency boost. Perhaps its fair to ask how he measured the speaker but why discredit the reviewer solely b/c you don't like the outcome. I would have to assume since he is a professional, he is consistently testing each speaker. Just b/c he moved the speakers for listening doesn't mean he didn't test them all on the same location using the same protocol.

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#337895 - 02/10/11 05:20 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Jay, what Axioms do you own?
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#337896 - 02/10/11 05:23 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: avjunkee]
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Debating subjectivity is funny wink smile.
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#337897 - 02/10/11 05:23 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Seriously, I own a Hyunia Genesis Coupe.

I believe you meant Hernia.
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#337902 - 02/10/11 05:43 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: ClubNeon]
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Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Jay, what Axioms do you own?

I own an Epic 80-600 system that I am fairly happy with. I do sometimes feel the speakers are bright and I usually blame the source material. Now that I've been reading several pro reviews also saying Axiom speakers are bright, it has me rethinking this.

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#337903 - 02/10/11 05:44 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: pmbuko]
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Seriously, I own a Hyunia Genesis Coupe.

I believe you meant Hernia.


Sorry I mispelled Hyundai but if your post was to insult the car, it doesn't offend me, especially considering what a great ride it is smile

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#337904 - 02/10/11 05:47 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Now that I've been reading several pro reviews also saying Axiom speakers are bright, it has me rethinking this.


If you think it, they'll definitely become more bright to you smile .


Edited by wheelz999 (02/10/11 05:48 PM)
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#337907 - 02/10/11 05:52 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Seriously, I own a Hyunia Genesis Coupe.

I believe you meant Hernia.


Sorry I mispelled Hyundai but if your post was to insult the car, it doesn't offend me, especially considering what a great ride it is smile


Don't take it as insulting. My friend, Peter, suffers from andropause grin wink .
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#337909 - 02/10/11 06:02 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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I remember with my original Axiom all on-wall system, that I was fairly pleased with at the time. I had a visitor that listened to them that pointed out some additional brightness that I wasn't aware of. After this happened, I couldn't listen to the speakers without noticing that brightness and this ruined the listening experience for me. This brightness was apparent only with the on-wall speakers. When I listened again with the bookshelf speakers, that additional brightness went away. But then I wasn't satisfied with just the bookshelf speakers by themselves any more either. This is because the on-walls created a bigger wall of sound. Hence the combined system that you see when you click on my signature line. This is how it sounds the best.

Edit: Probably means that I need the M80's.

Edit: I moved the on-walls up later, so this wasn't what was making them sound brighter. Actually they sound less bright this way, placing the tweeters further from the ears.


Edited by CatBrat (02/10/11 06:06 PM)

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