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#350299 - 06/15/11 07:16 PM I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
fhw Offline
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Registered: 11/22/01
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Loc: London, ON
This will hopefully NOT start a flame war, but this is something that I find infuriating as an observer of U.S. politics.

So I caught a few minutes of the Republican "debate" on Monday, and the one thing that just screams at me is how hopelessly out of touch all of these clowns are with the American people. Not that Democrats are much better--they're certainly as corrupt, if not more so--but do these folks realize the GARBAGE that comes out of their mouths?

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#350302 - 06/15/11 08:14 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: fhw]
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Registered: 09/16/04
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Loc: Marion, IA
Politics in the US is really sad. The politicians seem to worry about themselves and those that are paying them to enact laws that benefit them, rarely about what is good for the citizens of this country.
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#350306 - 06/15/11 08:44 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: nickbuol]
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 1262
Loc: Quebec, Canada
one thing that i can't get over is the fact that G. W. Bush got elected illegally (the first time, i think) and then he put in motion what he said he was: "a war president" (Irak), using any means possible to get to his end.

how about a president who said on TV: "i'm not a crook".

dismay, dismay dismay, and sad sad sad.

and then, a president gets into serious trouble because he had "illicit" sex. What a farce!
(as long as one does not get caught, it's all right)

i remember reading the official inquiry (the Warren Commission) about John F. Kennedy's assassination; it was full of holes and contradictions; smoke in your eyes...
The U.S.A is the most powerful country on earth, and power comes with corruption; more power, more corruption; most of it we don't even see or hear about.

when i was a teen and young adult, i seriously thought about going to live in the U.S.A.; not in America, in the U.S.A.
:-S

i live in Canada, America; it may be cold sometimes, but very nice to live in, and PET was never assassinated. :-D

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#350311 - 06/15/11 09:38 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: J. B.]
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Loc: Up yonder
My question for you is, what makes you think the US is any different than any other country with regards to politicians? Or are you really so naive to believe your country, or any politically governed country of your choosing has a morally astute collection of politician?

But having said that, it's been a long time since I actually voted FOR someone. I don't think I'm alone either. Most folks I know vote for a candidate just to vote against the other.
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#350312 - 06/15/11 09:41 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: J. B.]
fhw Offline
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Registered: 11/22/01
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Loc: London, ON
I suppose my issue is that the U.S. politicians can't even FAKE caring about the American people anymore. The country has a structural deficit, somewhere around 20% un-or-underemployment, and the solutions are to cut back on health care for the poor and eliminate capital gains taxes?

There are parts of the great U.S. cities (Detroit, Baltimore, Philly) that are literally shabbier than cities in the developing world, yet America is spending billions trying to develop one of the poorest, most backwards and corrupt countries in the world.

It's as disheartening as it is infuriating.

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#350315 - 06/15/11 09:44 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: fhw]
bruceg Offline
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Registered: 04/23/11
Posts: 48
Loc: Missouri
Just guessing that most will not reply due to BIG BROTHER watching. This is not a free country.
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#350316 - 06/15/11 09:47 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: fhw]
michael_d Offline
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Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 3875
Loc: Up yonder
You've been listening to liberal rhetoric too much. There is always the truth somewhere, you just have to look a little harder. Try and study all the points of view before casting judgment.

I do not participate in these threads. I will participate no further.
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#350318 - 06/15/11 09:49 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: fhw]
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No, Frank; you didn't have to ask, and the topic is totally unsuited for an audio forum.
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#350319 - 06/15/11 09:51 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: michael_d]
fhw Offline
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Registered: 11/22/01
Posts: 345
Loc: London, ON
Originally Posted By: michael_d
My question for you is, what makes you think the US is any different than any other country with regards to politicians? Or are you really so naive to believe your country, or any politically governed country of your choosing has a morally astute collection of politician?

But having said that, it's been a long time since I actually voted FOR someone. I don't think I'm alone either. Most folks I know vote for a candidate just to vote against the other.


By no means would I ever think Canadian politicians are saintly...patronage, pork and self-promotion are the rule without a doubt (I've had plenty of run-ins with them at work). BUT, in general you can rarely accuse them of blatant contempt for the Average Joe. I only see this in the U.S.

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#350320 - 06/15/11 09:54 PM Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk) [Re: JohnK]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6720
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
Originally Posted By: JohnK
No, Frank; you didn't have to ask, and the topic is totally unsuited for an audio forum.


I have to agree.
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