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#352211 - 07/21/11 10:33 AM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: audiosavant]
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Originally Posted By: audiosavant
It's funny how all these teabagger bozos didn't seemed too concerned with spending and deficits when George Bush was borrowing and spending money on two unnecessary (and illegal) wars while giving tax breaks to corporations and the wealthy.

We should just return to the tax rates we had under their god Ronnie Reagan (an Alzheimer addled ex-actor and terrible president). Or how about Clinton era tax rates? You know, back when the economy was booming and we had a surplus and yet the rich still got rich! It's a lie that cutting corporate taxes create jobs. If that were true, where are they? They've (tax rates) been the lowest they've ever been for the last 10 years. Corporations outsource those "jobs" and have pretty much killed the middle class and American industry.

Obama has a lot more patience than I do with the current crop of Republicans. They want the economy to tank because that's their only chance of winning in 2012. But they won't. I think America is (finally) waking up now that News Corp and Murdoch are being exposed for the corrupt scum bags they are. The right wing propaganda that they peddle is becoming quite stale. Getting rid of Fox news will go a long way in restoring the political climate and rational debate in this country. If McCain/Palin (god forbid) had won, Osama Bin Laden would still be alive and GM would be long gone.

It's also funny how the right thinks that Obama is a socialist since he's a centrist moderate and more conservative than Nixon (who would be considered a commie by the wing-nuts on the right today) was! 30 years of conservative trickle down theory has almost destroyed this country. I wish president Obama WAS a socialist! Then maybe we would all have affordable universal healthcare like every other civilized country in the world. But god forbid we should turn the USA into one of those horrible socialist hell-holes like Sweden, Canada, Norway, Germany, etc.! Oddly, those countries have a higher standard of living and better literacy rates.

History keeps repeating though... Republicans get into power, fu#k up everything, then a Democrat gets elected and has to clean up the mess they made. Look it up. History and facts are on my side here. But, as you probably know, "facts" do have a liberal bias.. wink

I also have no love for the Democratic party, they've let me down many times. They've been acting like Republican-lite ever since the Reagan era. Good cop to the Republican's bad cop... but both are cops and are going to bust you! Bill Clinton was a pretty great Republican president though... grin

However, I do think Obama is one of the best presidents this country has ever had. And I believe Republicans know it, that's why they hate him so much. He continuously schools their asses with smarts, competence, decency and statesmanship.

Yeah, I think that liberal policies are what helped make this country great. I also appreciate some good conservative ideas. I love Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower. Even William F. Buckley was a reasonable and intellectual conservative. Compare him to Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh.

I'm just a reluctant capitalist bleeding heart liberal and I love freedom and America. I want ALL Americans to do well, but the left AND right have to work TOGETHER or else this great nation (empire) will fall just like my people's did, the Romans (and we were the baddest motherfu#kers of all)



You do your liberal party proud with this spew of ignorant nonsense and name calling.
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#352213 - 07/21/11 10:47 AM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: michael_d]
BobKay Offline
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[/quote] You do your liberal party proud with this spew of ignorant nonsense and name calling. [/quote]

Umm, isn't that pretty close to name calling?

When you started a 4th of July thread, Michael, you began it by reproducing a Reagan speech. Do you realize that you instantly politicized the thread out of the gate? That's like dumping a load of bricks on a shrew to make a point.

Some people who are not white, not male, not middle class, not straight, not Christian and not native born have no warm and fuzzy's about Ronnie.

Then I got taken down for making a joke and "ruining" the sanctity of the Holyday, which apprently, was not supposed to be MY holiday.

Everyone's thoughts are valid and deserve a forum. We just need to be more mindful that we each do not come from the same Bolivian Vicuna lineage as Cam's family.
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#352216 - 07/21/11 11:39 AM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: michael_d]
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That headspace is pretty much where I was way back when when you and I butted heads, Mike. smile Perhaps he'll learn.

Politics is a lot like driving a car and getting road rage. You strap on your "dogma suit" and feel kind of invincible. You say and do things that you might not otherwise do, and you forget there are real people in those other dogma suits that keep getting in your way.
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#352222 - 07/21/11 12:02 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: pmbuko]
medic8r Offline
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 6396
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Nicely put. Look who's all mature 'n' stuff. wink

Though I must say that I found myself nodding in agreement with just about everything Terry said ...
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#352223 - 07/21/11 12:37 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: medic8r]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves and each other.
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#352225 - 07/21/11 12:43 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 09/27/04
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Loc: Central NH
Tom and I will be over there having a beer.
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#352226 - 07/21/11 12:45 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: MarkSJohnson]
Ken.C Online   content
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I'll join you.
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#352227 - 07/21/11 01:02 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: Ken.C]
BlueJays1 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4079
Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
Michael Pineda has a nasty fastball and slider.
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#352229 - 07/21/11 02:00 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: INANE]
audiosavant Offline
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Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 311
Loc: Worldwide
Originally Posted By: INANE
heh, ya I pretty much completely disagree with every single thing you just said (Obama the best, Reagan the worst??? Sorry but LOL!)...


You're right. I apologize for my poor writing there. I didn't mean to say Obama was the best president we have/had, I should have stated that I think he has the potential to be one of the greatest president this country has had. Obviously, we'll have to see how that turns out, won't we?

And I certainly didn't mean to imply that Reagan was the worst president of the United States (20th century) that we've ever had. That distinction goes solely to George W. Bush. grin

But, if you are an intellectually honest person of whatever political leanings, you already know that. smile

But back to Ronald Reagan...

"Facts are stupid things" -- Ronald Reagan





I've read somewhere that, Nixon broke the heart of the American dream and that Ronald Reagan broke it's back. I truly believe that.

His administration helped gut the middle class. The deregulation, union busting, the "voodoo" economy, S&L meltdown, etc.

(I won't go into the Iran contra scandal and the other numerous criminal activities of his administration whistle )

In doing some research I find that when Reagan came into office we were the largest exporter of manufacturing goods and the largest importer of raw materials on the planet... and the largest creditor. More people owed us money than anybody else in the world. Now, just 41 years later, we're the largest importer of finished goods, manufactured goods; the largest exporter of raw materials (which is kind of the definition of a third-world nation) and we're the most in-debt of any country in the world. This is the absolute consequence of Reaganomics.

We can only speculate on the future of the economy and on what Obama’s performance may be. However, speculation about Republican policies is unnecessary. Recent history gives us an extensive record of what a Republican president and Senate would do and what the results would be. Under the last three Republican presidents, budget deficits have exploded. No balanced budgets were proposed by any of them during their combined 20 years in the White House. In fact, most of the $10 trillion federal deficit Obama inherited was accumulated under the last three Republican presidents. During the presidency of George W. Bush, Republicans controlled the office of president, plus the U.S. House and Senate simultaneously for four years. The result by the end of Bush’s eight-year presidency was that unemployment rose dramatically and our economy disintegrated. His was one of the worst economic presidencies in U.S. history.

Despite a lot of posturing about budget deficits, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush never proposed a single balanced budget. Unemployment got worse during both Bush presidencies. Their policies are largely responsible for causing today’s problems.

I just wish that the Republicans and Democrats would both work together, putting aside all the political posturing and corporate influence ($), and work for the good of the country as a whole. America's gotta get it's sh#t together. Lead or get our of the way. Evolve or die as they say, or else we all better learn to speak a Chinese dialect or enjoy our jobs working at Wal-Mart (if we're lucky).

I don't think that any one political ideology is a threat to the future of the US, or even the rest of the world. It's religious fanaticism and powerful corporations. Neither has allegiance to any nation. frown


Originally Posted By: audiosavant
I'm just a reluctant capitalist bleeding heart liberal and I love freedom and America. I want ALL Americans to do well, but the left AND right have to work TOGETHER or else this great nation (empire) will fall just like my people's did, the Romans (and we were the baddest motherfu#kers of all)


Originally Posted By: INANE
This we can agree on however!


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#352230 - 07/21/11 02:21 PM Re: Gang of Six Budget Plan, try to keep it civil [Re: michael_d]
audiosavant Offline
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Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 311
Loc: Worldwide
Originally Posted By: michael_d

You do your liberal party proud with this spew of ignorant nonsense and name calling.


We have a liberal party in the US? shocked

First I've heard about that! I wish we did though... We do have a few liberals in the Democratic party but mostly just moderates, centrists and corporate shills. I do love me some Bernie Sanders though. Vermont is a pretty progressive state.

Hell, the Conservative Party of Canada would be considered liberal here in the US!

I have both liberal beliefs and conservative beliefs. I'm a complicated man... Just trying to keep a Taoist kinda balance meself... grin

I think we need a viable third party. A middle class/labor party of some kind. A "workers" party if you will (but I'm sure that sounds way too "commie" for you).

You know... a political party for the small guy. A party for people who are not wealthy or poor. People who actually work for a living and don't have access to the power that the rich do or the programs that the poor have.

I mean seriously, the rich don't need the tea party to fight for their rights! The rich and powerful have many allies in government. They'll be just fine...

It's the rest of us that I worry about. smile

Peace.
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