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#35629 - 03/02/04 12:01 PM M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Loc: Wisconsin, USA
Can there be a comparison between the two? I'm looking for music and sonic quality as well as HT application. This would be for a 3000 sq. ft room (15x20). Thanks all! I understand that the M22 would need a sub to have a chance, but again, looking for the best sound possible from Axiom in my setting.
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#35630 - 03/02/04 03:48 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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You will likely be better off with a M60. It is the exact same sound quality as the M80, it just will not play as loud. And by loud, I mean way past reference levels. For your room you would likely not prefer the M60 anyway.

If you like music now, you will start listening to even more once you get your Axioms. M60's are better for Stereo music listening than the M22's because they produce stronger mid bass sounds and have a bigger soundstage.
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#35631 - 03/02/04 03:53 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 11/30/03
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Also they play a bit lower, but not so much that you'd notice too much.

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#35632 - 03/02/04 05:06 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
Misfit_Toy Offline
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Registered: 02/22/04
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Loc: Wisconsin, USA
Has anyone heard both the M60 and M80 and compared the two?
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#35633 - 03/02/04 06:33 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Misfit, during my initial read, I missed the "15x20" and only saw the "3000 sq ft". Obviously you meant 300.

I have the M80's in a 16x18 ft room, and honestly, I wouldn't want to have them in a room any smaller than this. Placement has been tricky, and because of room constraints, the "sweet spot" is very narrow.

Having said this though, I love the 80's, and could never see myself "moving down" to the 60's.

If layout is not restricted by the "WAF", by all means spring for the 80's. If it is, Snippy is right - the 60's are a better choice.
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#35634 - 03/02/04 11:07 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 84
OK OK I give up.... I've seen the references to the "WAF" for a long time but can someone please fill us in on the exact meaning of "WAF"?

Thanks
Bob

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#35635 - 03/02/04 11:11 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 05/01/03
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Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
I believe it is "Wife Approval Factor" or "Wife Acceptance Factor".

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#35636 - 03/02/04 11:23 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 05/16/02
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Yep, that's what it stands for. And it was in reference to the layout of the room. My wife is constantly hounding me - "Can't you move them closer to the wall?........."
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#35637 - 03/03/04 01:12 AM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 09/25/02
Posts: 1488
Loc: Maine
i thought it was wife apperance factor or wife attraction factor.

Either way, if theyre any larger then bose cubes they probbly fail.
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#35638 - 03/03/04 02:16 AM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 25
Loc: Portland, OR
Indeed. The reason that I got to upgrade from my 10-year-old Technics rack system is that my wife was sick of the giant tower speakers. Having been to a Bose store at the mall, I think that's what she was picturing when we discussed "smaller speakers and surround sound". She's been very kind about my M22/VP100/QS4 setup (she can see how happy I am), but I know she's distressed that they aren't as small as the Bose. Me going for the M60/VP150/QS8 setup just wouldn't have worked--too low on the SAF scale.

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#35639 - 03/03/04 02:35 AM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Heck, if the size or appearance of your speakers is less annoying to your spouse than finding the toilet seat up, you're home free!
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#35640 - 03/03/04 10:56 PM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
Misfit_Toy Offline
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Registered: 02/22/04
Posts: 346
Loc: Wisconsin, USA
Yes...luckily for me I have my wife trained. I just tell her that we watch movies all the time...so it's an investment Now I just need to get those 80s. Anyone have any problems playing them at a distance of 12 feet? Thanks!
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#35641 - 03/04/04 12:45 AM Re: M22 vs. M80. Can they be compared?
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Registered: 05/16/02
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
You should be fine. With our current layout, the couch is about 8ft away. Far from ideal, but it is the "WAF" rearing it's ugly head. I have a computer chair about 14ft away. This is my preferred listening position.
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